"Stay the Course" has become "Shift the Blame"

BigV · 12-20-2006, 10:52 AM

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U.S. Not Winning War in Iraq, Bush Says for 1st Time

Bush chose a different term than Powell. "I haven't heard the word 'broken,' " he said, "but I've heard the word, 'stressed.' . . . We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot. And the fundamental question is, 'Will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?' "

From WaPo

I have seen this coming for some time. The evidence since the election has piled up higher and faster.

I see as President Bush's main motivations in Iraq the rapidly vanishing proposition that he can save face. Face. That's what's at most risk for him and I find that craven, selfish and cowardly. Disgusting.

Griff · 12-20-2006, 12:09 PM

He started the war thinking legacy. Now he's left with blame shifting.

Shawnee123 · 12-20-2006, 12:18 PM

I'm ready to start a Peasants with Pitchforks campaign and run that fool out of office.

Undertoad · 12-20-2006, 12:23 PM

What's the big deal here? The Ds won Congress and he is pressing them to lead.

Elspode · 12-20-2006, 01:11 PM

"Hey, Dems...please take this festering pile of crap and try not to screw it up any worse, okay?"

skysidhe · 12-20-2006, 01:32 PM

I remember the day when he was first given the presidency and people were all like,"yeah, he's someone a person would like to have a beer with" as if that was the requirement for leading a country.

Out of the mouth of Babes. Retort to the above comment. "Yeah, I mean Homer Simpson" is the best we could do for our country?

I suggest next time people vote according to reason and not emotion. emotions screw things up too much. They allow people like Pat Robertson to tell people if they don't vote for Bush then they are voting FOR abortion and therefore you will be guilty of murder.

Why did it take so much for people to see what half the country saw from the beginning?

12-21-2006, 02:08 AM

Become?

yesman065 · 12-21-2006, 12:05 PM

How does the demoratic congressman from SD who had a heart attack and his replacement who will be named by the republican Gov. affect the balance of power?

BigV · 12-21-2006, 01:06 PM

*sigh*

New congressman was from SD. Had an Arterio-Venous Malformation, or AVM, not a heart attack. Had brain surgery for it.

He has not been replaced, since the only way to replace a sitting congressman is in case of death or resignation. The republican governor can indeed name a replacement, but only in those circumstances, neither of which is imminent.

Presuming a republican governor would appoint a republican congressman (now far afield in your hypothetical case), the balance of power in the Senate would shift to 50 republicans, 49 Democrats and 1 independent, and of course, the president of the Senate is Dick Cheney, the Vice President, a republican. So, potentially the balance of power would be 51-50 in favor of the republicans.

Did that answer your question?

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 01:25 PM

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I'm ready to start a Peasants with Pitchforks campaign and run that fool out of office.

Umm...don't you have a large supply of firearms you could use instead?:P

Griff · 12-21-2006, 01:28 PM

The Democrats disarmed themselves years ago. Some are questioning their wisdom...

yesman065 · 12-21-2006, 01:53 PM

Yes thanks Big V - I have heard a lot of crap and supposition about it and thought I'd come to the source for the truth - the Cellar - of course. seriously thanks.

Um, if he is "incapacitated for a vote - what happens then? Inquiring minds NEED to know.

BigV · 12-21-2006, 02:10 PM

no such thing.

there are historical precedents for "sitting" congressmen being absent, but alive, elsewhere for years at a stretch.

I will successfully resist the temptation to joke about incapacitated / capacity wrt congressmen.

There is no such thing as: "incapacitated for a vote". Whether our legal inability to make such distinctions is a good or bad thing remains an open question.

Phil · 12-21-2006, 02:38 PM

it's all so familiar.
will this fuckwit and his bitch Blair actually get away with the war crimes they have committed?

yesman065 · 12-21-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

There is no such thing as: "incapacitated for a vote". Whether our legal inability to make such distinctions is a good or bad thing remains an open question.

So there just is no vote for his "constituants"?

12-20-2006, 12:09 PM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	He started the war thinking legacy. Now he's left with blame shifting. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-20-2006, 12:18 PM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I'm ready to start a Peasants with Pitchforks campaign and run that fool out of office. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-20-2006, 01:11 PM	#5
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	"Hey, Dems...please take this festering pile of crap and try not to screw it up any worse, okay?" __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-21-2006, 01:06 PM	#9
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	sigh New congressman was from SD. Had an Arterio-Venous Malformation, or AVM, not a heart attack. Had brain surgery for it. He has not been replaced, since the only way to replace a sitting congressman is in case of death or resignation. The republican governor can indeed name a replacement, but only in those circumstances, neither of which is imminent. Presuming a republican governor would appoint a republican congressman (now far afield in your hypothetical case), the balance of power in the Senate would shift to 50 republicans, 49 Democrats and 1 independent, and of course, the president of the Senate is Dick Cheney, the Vice President, a republican. So, potentially the balance of power would be 51-50 in favor of the republicans. Did that answer your question? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-21-2006, 01:28 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	The Democrats disarmed themselves years ago. Some are questioning their wisdom... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-20-2006, 12:23 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What's the big deal here? The Ds won Congress and he is pressing them to lead.

12-20-2006, 01:32 PM	#6
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I remember the day when he was first given the presidency and people were all like,"yeah, he's someone a person would like to have a beer with" as if that was the requirement for leading a country. Out of the mouth of Babes. Retort to the above comment. "Yeah, I mean Homer Simpson" is the best we could do for our country? I suggest next time people vote according to reason and not emotion. emotions screw things up too much. They allow people like Pat Robertson to tell people if they don't vote for Bush then they are voting FOR abortion and therefore you will be guilty of murder. Why did it take so much for people to see what half the country saw from the beginning?

12-21-2006, 12:05 PM	#8
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	How does the demoratic congressman from SD who had a heart attack and his replacement who will be named by the republican Gov. affect the balance of power?

12-21-2006, 01:53 PM	#12
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Yes thanks Big V - I have heard a lot of crap and supposition about it and thought I'd come to the source for the truth - the Cellar - of course. seriously thanks. Um, if he is "incapacitated for a vote - what happens then? Inquiring minds NEED to know.

12-21-2006, 02:10 PM	#13
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	no such thing. there are historical precedents for "sitting" congressmen being absent, but alive, elsewhere for years at a stretch. I will successfully resist the temptation to joke about incapacitated / capacity wrt congressmen. There is no such thing as: "incapacitated for a vote". Whether our legal inability to make such distinctions is a good or bad thing remains an open question. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-21-2006, 02:38 PM	#14
Phil Hoodoo Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 304	it's all so familiar. will this fuckwit and his bitch Blair actually get away with the war crimes they have committed?

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