I Smell a Rat

[Trilby]

Pangloss, what do you expect a Pope to do? hang out and be "all cool" with shit? His job is to be at odds with secularism.

Now. I wonder if you would feel just as comfortable posting, "Fuck you, Mohammed you whore!" or similar.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Pangloss, what do you expect a Pope to do? hang out and be "all cool" with shit? His job is to be at odds with secularism.

Now. I wonder if you would feel just as comfortable posting, "Fuck you, Mohammed you whore!" or similar.

Mohammed wets the bed.
And the last pope hung out and was all cool with child molestation (lets hurry and make him a saint because some nun isn't blind anymore) , but yeah, I can see that he'd need to be vigilant about folks like me unbelieving and shit....

[tw]

To appreciate either an attitude or a schism within the Catholic Church is this book published by the Catholic Press entitled "Inside Islam: A Guide of Catholics" page 16:

Islam itself is an incomplete, misleading, and often downright false revelation which, in many ways, directly contradicts what God has revealed through the prophets of the Old Testament and through His Son Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. And, as you will see in the coming pages, its beliefs have serious consequences for human dignity and the cultures of the countries in which it dominates. For several reasons, Islam constitutes a threat to the world at large. Despite having agreement with Christianity on some fundamental beliefs, Islam's theology and its aggressive growth are not benign realities. Indeed, Christians ignore them at their own peril.

Does this sound like a religion advancing the principles of their god ... or one that justifies a Spanish Inquisition?

What makes a better Catholic? One that ignores many Catholic Church teachings (and other organized religions) so they may form a stronger relationship between themselves and their god. One that also condemns that Church for ignoring and attacking “Voices of the Faithful”.

Organized religion is nothing more than a consultant. It may become so perverted as to insist that, without their advice, then you will burn in hell. Organized religion often forgets that it is only a consultant - not god's personal adviser, receptionist, armed protector, and the only one who knows what god thinks. Notice hate of Islam as published by the Catholic Press. This publication is not an accident. Actions are consistent with a religion that knows about and that would hide its employees at the expense of sexually abused children. And these atrocities are not limited to one organized religion. Nobody expects a Spanish Inquisition which is why organized religions may become guilty of same. Too often, organized religion violates basic principles of quality - they forget who they work for.

[Trilby]

My mom doesn't pick and choose.

She's a Catholic, thru and thru. Methinks you group all Catholics into one cold cauldron...let me tell you...

she's one of the most giving, compassionate and kind women ever.


Not all Catholics merely give "lip service" to their beliefs...I live in a town where the most prestigious college is private, Catholic. Loads of the young people live the Catholic doctrine--no lip service here.

Now. Let me hear you denouce the Islamic leader--Mohammed. Via post. Please do.

That is a Christian... faith is personal, not a socio-political organization.
She sounds awesome.

[Trilby]

thanks, rkz.

My mother put up with ME. She deserves a sainthood nomination!

Look--unless radical (i.e. wishing you dead right FUCKING NOW) most religious leaders hope to heal.

At least I hope they do.

I tend to be a bit more cynical on that point... about most. I think some are what they show.

For me:

The idea of a Religion is to form logic loopholes that cannot be solved & force guilt and other insecure feelings. That authority structure then states they can alleviate the very problem caused by membership in that belief system (impossible, because the problem is always an insolvable cunnundrum)... then they have you... you pay and the cycle is complete.

Faith and religion have nothing to do with each other.
Faith is a personal belief system. Religion is a socio-political body that uses certain belief systems to find their membership. Nothing more. They rarely embody the actual tenants of those belief systems, they cannot or the membership would not need them after a time.

I wrote this a while ago.

Sounds like me when I talk about cops.

[Pangloss62]

Now. Let me hear you denouce the Islamic leader--Mohammed. Via post. Please do.

I never met Mohammed, nor Jesus. That's kinda my point; you have this German dude, a contemporary human, who is said to be imbued with some direct connection to JC. That's just plain crazy. That's great that your mom is a good Catholic, but I don't think that ANYONE who lives and participates in the present American Capitalist System can consider themselves a good Catholic. Maybe I didn't listen carefully enough in my Catholic school, or my CCD classes, but most Catholics I know are hypocrites to some extent. If you use birth control, which a majority of Catholics do, you are violating the rules of your religion, the rules set forth by Joe, otherwise known as "The Pope." That IS Catholicism. You must obey and follow the rules of The Pope.

Heaven and Hell are on earth. I denounce ALL religions.

[Pangloss62]

The Jesuits are one of the few branches of Catholics I respect. They actually care about helping people; except in the past when they were tourturing them or killing them. Seriously, I attended a Jesuit college and one thing they are good at is edumacation. GO RAMBLERS!!!

[Aliantha]

If it weren't for the catholics, Europe and Britain would have taken a lot longer to re-populate the countryside after the plague.

[Tonchi]

Speaking of the Plague, historians now agree that in the long run the Plagues of the mid 14th Century were what brought Europe out of the Middle Ages. With no serfs to slave for them, the landlords who remained were forced to pay wages for the first time in order to work their land, and many who fled the plague or survived it became free to move to someplace else for the first time in their lives. They could even take over land which had previously been denied to them under the feudal system. Entire villages completely disappeared after a few years of weather, because they were built of scraps, and only the churches and manor houses remained, standing alone in the countrysides. Trade came back with a strength previously unknown, because now there were people who could buy things other than the nobility: people could now be paid for the trades they were previously forced to perform for free. Maps were redrawn, old political alliances were gone because the parties no longer existed, and a middle class slowly began to form. Unfortunately, nobody learned any lessons about having filth and vermin surrounding you being bad for your health. Yes, millions of people all over the known world died from these plagues, but not all the outcomes were bad.