Gingrich raises alarm at free-speech dinner

[Griff]

Whatever meds tw is on... I want some. lol

[xoxoxoBruce]

Gingrich was speaking to a bunch of people gathered to honor champions of/for free speech and the article didn't mention the reaction of the attendees to his remarks? I find that piss poor (or bias) reporting.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Gingrich was speaking to a bunch of people gathered to honor champions of/for free speech and the article didn't mention the reaction of the attendees to his remarks? I find that piss poor (or bias) reporting.

I think given that its a CNN article and that the audience was adequately described as free speech advocates that the reaction was somewhat predictable.

Since it would have been much easier for Mr. Gingrich -regardless of one's opinion of him- to "tell the audience what they 'paid him to tell them'" it gets my attention that he, instead, chose to tell them like it is.

It would appear that bin Laden has enjoyed more success than he could ever have imagined in terms of eroding America from the inside. To hear such as this from someone like Gingrich is indeed sobering if not alarming.

We may really be faced with choices tougher than we are ready to face. Is it truly necessary for us to sacrifice what we are to protect ourselves? When some smart guy (help me out with who it was) said anyone who gives up freedom for security deserves neither - did he contemplate a 9/11 world? Would he say the same thing today or would he side with Newt?

Time for America to decide what it wants so it seems. We can either take the pricipled position and take a hit or we can become less "American" and give more power to the government to protect us. Personally, I think we should stick with what got us here. Even it its my town to go up in a mushroom cloud. At least the rest of America can "martyr" us and defend our existing principles.

America is no stranger to shedding blood to defend its right to exist as conceived. I see no reason to revisit that - potentially personal sacrifices not withstanding.

They die for a purpose. We die for a purpose. We kill for a purpose. They kill for a purpose. But the idea that we have to become more like them to defeat them is to hand them a victory without exacting a price. Nothing American about that. Nothing. Sorry Newt. I vote to retain rights granted to me and guaranteed to me. Find another way to win. If I have to pay for my descendents' freedom than so be it. Somebody paid for mine so its only fair.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Since it would have been much easier for Mr. Gingrich -regardless of one's opinion of him- to "tell the audience what they 'paid him to tell them'" it gets my attention that he, instead, chose to tell them like it is.

Horseshit, not like it is.....like he thinks it is.

It would appear that bin Laden has enjoyed more success than he could ever have imagined in terms of eroding America from the inside. To hear such as this from someone like Gingrich is indeed sobering if not alarming.

True, because of people like him claiming it's necessary..... the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

We may really be faced with choices tougher than we are ready to face. Is it truly necessary for us to sacrifice what we are to protect ourselves? When some smart guy (help me out with who it was) said anyone who gives up freedom for security deserves neither - did he contemplate a 9/11 world? Would he say the same thing today or would he side with Newt?

It was people like Newt that he was warning us against.

Time for America to decide what it wants so it seems. We can either take the pricipled position and take a hit or we can become less "American" and give more power to the government to protect us. Personally, I think we should stick with what got us here. Even it its my town to go up in a mushroom cloud. At least the rest of America can "martyr" us and defend our existing principles.

C'mon, do you really think the government could stop a small, well financed, terrorist cell?
It can't be done without turning this country into North Korea and maybe not then.

America is no stranger to shedding blood to defend its right to exist as conceived. I see no reason to revisit that - potentially personal sacrifices not withstanding.

They die for a purpose. We die for a purpose. We kill for a purpose. They kill for a purpose. But the idea that we have to become more like them to defeat them is to hand them a victory without exacting a price. Nothing American about that. Nothing. Sorry Newt. I vote to retain rights granted to me and guaranteed to me. Find another way to win. If I have to pay for my descendents' freedom than so be it. Somebody paid for mine so its only fair.

We have a winner! You make the right choice.

[Griff]

I was suprised at Gingriches level of paranoia.

Time for America to decide what it wants so it seems. We can either take the pricipled position and take a hit or we can become less "American" and give more power to the government to protect us. Personally, I think we should stick with what got us here. Even it its my town to go up in a mushroom cloud. At least the rest of America can "martyr" us and defend our existing principles.

Deviating from our principles is what got us here. Constant wars in foreign lands got us here. Bush had a rare opportunity after 911. Had he ruled as he ran America would be a powerful force for good today. Unfortunately, he played it as if he was following bin laden's script.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Gingrich was speaking to a bunch of people gathered to honor champions of/for free speech and the article didn't mention the reaction of the attendees to his remarks? I find that piss poor (or bias) reporting.

I wondered about that too... but, it may be hard to "report" ten min. of stunned silence.