South Africa's high court approves gay marriage

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

9th and Shawnee sittin in a tree,
k.i.double s.i.n.g.

First comes love, then comes marriage,
Then comes 9th with a baby carriage!

I know you are but what am I?

[9th Engineer]

Must have been tough seeing the whiteboard at that seminar with the blinders on...

If approaching the situation with a pragmatic attitude constitues blinders, then yes. This issue is no exception to the 'question everything and make few assumptions and generalizations' rule.

Hmmm... so gay marriage wouldn't be so much, say, an evil threat Satan has devised to destroy all that is good and Holy, as it would be more of, you know, kinda inconvenient.

Do you prefer arguments centering around theologics? It's a plus minus, pro/con issue like everything else, there will be good things and also negative consequences associated with it. I have no idea why people think the issue of fairness somehow has an infinite positive weight attached to it, it's a plus, but far from huge.

I don't think I pay any special attention to shawnee, although when poked I poke back, and she's definately in the group that takes jabs at people around here.


Anyway, I say that gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really. If the idea was the gays would be handed marriage licences and NOTHING would leave the house would you be satisfied? A big part of this deal is bringing everything public now, into the workplace, schools, and society in general. I'd definately say that affects me. People are making the assumption that changes must be maliciously damaging to count, the money comment even assumes I should be happy to hand over more money without even considering it as an effect.
I'll lay something on the line here, fairness doesn't count for alot with me. Our society is so decrepit that we're not even past fixing basic injustices and pathetic behavior much less ready to make life fair. We've been in a regression for decades now, we started with a huge lead but our progess is pityful. China is now the #2 economy in the world, we're known for our TV, not our technology or innovations. I posted something on 'fairness' a while back so I won't repeat it here, but 99/100 Americans are far too weak willed to ever be much use in a fair and just society.
So a man not being able to sign medical papers for his lover just does not matter to me in the face of all of our other problems, really, it's not important to me. As a staunch pragmatist I do not have the excess time or energy to deal with all this emotional dithering.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

I don't think I pay any special attention to shawnee, although when poked I poke back, and she's definately in the group that takes jabs at people around here.

Sure 9th, everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Leave me out of your posts, I'm starting to think you're hot for me.

Mr Educated? The words are spelled "definitely" and "a lot". Also, this sentence makes absolutely no grammatical sense:

Our society is so decrepit that we're not even past fixing basic injustices and pathetic behavior much less ready to make life fair.

Fine eduation you're working on. Tech Center?

Let me guess, you're in the top 1%? Thank the Lord we have people like you on earth. Whew:

99/100 Americans are far too weak willed to ever be much use in a fair and just society.

I'll call him...mini-dick

[Flint]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

...there will be good things and also negative consequences associated with it...
...gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really...
...I'd definately say that affects me...
...fairness doesn't count for alot with me...
...I do not have the excess time or energy to deal with all this...

What negative consequences?
How is it "designed to" affect you?
How does it "definately" [sic] affect you?
It's easy to be callous, from a distance, isn't it?
How, specifically, do you have to "deal with" this?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Anyway, I say that gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really.

You didn't list any ways that it would affect you yet. You won't have to attend any gay marriage seminars; any "workplace dynamics" or other diversity stuff will be there regardless of gay marriage. Bringing everything public will also happen with or without marriage. All "obligations" that companies have to married couples are already there, so there would be no change needed to recognize a few more, any more than there would if a few more straight couples got married. With the decrease in straight marriage, it would probably be a wash over the last 30 years, in fact.

So a man not being able to sign medical papers for his lover just does not matter to me in the face of all of our other problems, really, it's not important to me. As a staunch pragmatist I do not have the excess time or energy to deal with all this emotional dithering.

Nobody's asking you to care; you're the one who claimed that it would affect you and reserved the right " to get involved in [the gay marriage] buisness". In fact, not caring and supporting are the two legitimate positions to take, because if you don't support it, it won't affect you.

[tw]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Anyway, I say that gay marriage affects me because it is designed to, really.

So HOW does it affect you and HOW is it designed to affect you?

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

If the idea was the gays would be handed marriage licences and NOTHING would leave the house would you be satisfied?

What does that means?

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

A big part of this deal is bringing everything public now, into the workplace, schools, and society in general. I'd definately say that affects me.

Obviously when people no longer need lie, then it affects you - positively. Gay marriage is a good thing for you? Why? Will you then come out of a closet?