Watching The Snowball

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by tw

Andy Rooney of CBS News (a legendary TV news magazine) 60 Minutes

Who doesn't know this?

plus, dude, relax. CAN you relax? I fear your PTSD has taken over.


Dammit. Now I've responded to a tw post. Damn my hide.

Damn it good.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Who doesn't know this?

plus, dude, relax. CAN you relax?

Brianna, why do you so hate America? Tone reflects the seriousness of those posts. We are not talking about sex in the Oval Office. We are talking about useless murder of Americans. Why do you, Brianna, so hate America as to not even criticize torture, extraordinary rendition, wiretapping without judicial review, secret prisons, etc. Same reasons why four died in O-Hi-O.

53% of America do not know. Even though a majority has only recently agreed with my four year old posts, still (as also happened during Nixon and Vietnam), a majority remain opposed to a necessary unilateral withdrawal. Yes "Who doesn't know this?" Many. Notice the many with so little grasp as to criticize Gen Dannatt.

The bastard even went to CA for a campaign fund raiser as a category 5 hurricane was attacking a city designed only for category 3. But again, how many must die?

Accurately defined long before "Mission Accomplished" was proclaimed were obvious facts such as 'no smoking gun', 'no strategic objective', and therefore 'no exit strategy'. Even 'mission creep' was inevitable. Iraq was denied both four years ago and still denied 2800+ dead Americans later. George Jr administration demonstrates contempt for the troops. Do you?

Probably 10,000 wounded Americans because so many had facts and yet still oppose a withdrawal. Many stay quiet and still oppose the inevitable - just like Nam. Withdrawal is not obvious to most Americans. Over 10,000 casualties for what purpose? So we can 'stay the course'? Bring it on? Religious extremists who actually do vote and who want Armageddon (most here do not vote) – do you really think they who do vote understand why withdrawal is our only option? Need we wait - like during Nixon - for that number to reach 20,000? How many thousand more will die before we admit defeat? How many more amputees need we create?

They don't decide to become a casualty. We make that decision. How many more must die?

[headsplice]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Dammit. Now I've responded to a tw post. Damn my hide.
Damn it good.

If you'd like a good scrubbing, the local fire deparment can hose you down. I hear they have a special crew, just for that.
And TW, calm yourself, child. Anti-American? Seriously? You sound like the R's you villify so frequently. At first I thought it was mockery, and now I realize you're serious.

[tw]

Originally Posted by headsplice

At first I thought it was mockery, and now I realize you're serious.

If you think I posted anything emotional, then get your ears on - you don't yet know what may be coming We are now at the edge of a cliff in Iraq. It is that desperate. Total withdrawal (military defeat) is our only option in a few months. Total disintegration of Iraq will be inevitable; determined by what we do in a next few months. All options will terminate probably at then end of this year. Tell me where panic is in this reality.

Did you notice an emergency deployment of aircraft carriers apparently to the Gulf? Why not? If you think for one minute that I have expressed emotions - then insufficient grasp of logic exists. Most every Cellar Dweller was in ostrich mode years ago - denying what was regarded as an alarmist posts. Did you foresee a thousand dead Americans years ago? Why not? Because that reality was too alarmist back then?

I don't mock. That you even suspected mockery suggests an ostrich grasp of reality still remains. 10,000 casualties is not for one minute an emotion – it is a fact. If you perceive emotion in what was posted, then why is your grasp of reality not so ruthless?

To not stand up for the troops now - to "Stay the Course" - is to hate soldiers as we did to the troops in Vietnam. 20,000 casualties was not mockery. 20,000 is directly traceable to indecision and a lying president. ‘Calm down’ suggests one is too many years behind reality – also called ‘denial’. Nothing posted was emotional. That attitude will be normal in a few years if we don’t save those troops lives now.

They don’t decide to be wasted casualties. We do that - now. Options are about to expire. How many thousands will die is decided in these next few months by us. One who does not see the cliff would say, “Calm down”. Do you see that cliff, headsplice? If not, then why not ... is what you should be asking. All options are about to expire. Why do you not yet see the cliff?