British to Withdraw from Iraq

[9th Engineer]

I hope this teaches us that it's never a good idea to intervene anywhere in the world for whatever reason. Just ain't worth it.

We never seem to learn. Many Americans today were around at the time of the Vietnam conflict. There are some here on the Cellar, as well. Its like we're a nation of Mayflies with short little ephemeral memories. And Bush is such a nut case that he'll probably declare the Brit's and the Aussies "unlawful enemy combatants" against the States if they withdraw their troops. Nothing would surprise me, anymore. (sigh)

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

I hope this teaches us that it's never a good idea to intervene anywhere in the world for whatever reason. Just ain't worth it.

Such simplistic Rush Limbaugh logic that gets us into trouble. Are you saying that intervention in Kuwait was wrong? Are you saying that intervention in the Balkan was wrong? Of course those interventions were necessary and were justified. But again, each American is required to first learn from history. Americans don’t have the option to ‘don’t care’.

Whereas I clearly identified Iraq as a "Pearl Harbor" action well before Iraq was invaded ... I also was furious with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz, etc for not advocating a Kuwait rescue. In both cases, I was clearly in the minority because I was advocating based upon facts – not on Rush Limbaugh logic. Don't fool yourself for one minute. On 2 Aug 1990, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc were saying we could do nothing for Kuwait. And most Americans were saying we should do nothing. Today, many conveniently forget what they were saying then – therefore don’t learn from history.

Intervention is a necessary function of nations. Intervention, when successful, was obvious because (in part) the UN said it was justified. Amazing how often the UN is right and American ‘big dics’ get it wrong. Again, learn from history.

Whereas an invasion of Iraq was clearly and obviously wrong even in 2002 - a full year before Iraq was invaded. The Kuwait rescue was clearly a smoking gun that justified war. Today, can you say why; did you learn from history? Darfur is a worldwide disaster for reasons I will not even begin to discuss. Answers are found by having learned from WWII, Vietnam, Somalia, Kuwait, and Iraq.

Facts have been obvious for so long that even Britain’s #1 soldier publicly defined Iraq. Facts of the Iraq war are obvious - don’t get any more obvious. So obvious that those who learned from history can easily answer this simple question – 500,000 troops now or get out. And yet so many will not even touch that question – and will not speak out against George Jr’s S3930 bill to make secret prisons, kidnapping, and torture legal.

Where a solution is 'no interventions', then one’s historical grasp is little different from those ‘big dics’ who advocate ‘axis of evil’ lies. Kuwait and Balkan were clearly justified. Iraq was clearly wrong long before 'shock and awe'. It demands one learn from history - not just watch it. It demands that one make a decision - as Britian's #1 General has done - and learn from those mistakes. So many here do not have balls to conclude as 9th Engineer just did - take a risk - and therefore remain the most ignorant. Shocking still are the so many Cellar dwellers who promote torture by their silience and who don't routinely ask, "Did George Jr lie today?" Learn from history. He usually does.

General Sir Richard Dannatt has taken a major risk - told a truth that should have long ago been obvious to all in The Cellar. He is also demanding you to learn from history. Why are his words so new to so many? Why are so many still unable to see the obvious?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Careful..when the cheering throngs raise you up on their shouders....you never know where they'll put you down.