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Pangloss62 · 10-06-2006, 11:22 AM

An excellent article that broadens the context of Foleygate:

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...6/1005nj1.htm#

Gays in Congress remind me of the gays in professional sports; the closet can be a really safe place, despite how dark and confining it is.

glatt · 10-06-2006, 11:29 AM

Is this the 4th or 5th thread about this?

Are you one of those George Soros operatives, paid to keep beating on the drum?

Pangloss62 · 10-06-2006, 11:36 AM

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Are you one of those George Soros operatives, paid to keep beating on the drum?

No. But I do think it's fascinating how Foleygate has so quickly become the fulcrum on which BOTH the Democrats and Republicans have positioned their arguments. Iraq, while still there, is put on the side burner for now, which the Republicans probably like (since it's really f'd up now more than ever).

10-10-2006, 02:58 AM

Why does anyone care who these people screw?

Trilby · 10-10-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Why does anyone care who these people screw?

I only care if the person is underage or mentally incapable of giving consent.

Ibby · 10-10-2006, 08:52 AM

I personally, being underage myself, dont see the issue with having sex with minors. I mean, under the age of 13 maybe, but I think teens should have the right to choose. I sure as hell know a few adults I wou... Er, ahem, nevermind.
Old people having sex with teens is creepy, but I really dont see the legal/moral problem with it, looking at it from this end.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-10-2006, 09:38 AM

Technically, there is nothing wrong with adults having consentual sex with teens as long as long as the teen is sexually and mentally mature enough. The only reason we view it as perverted is because of social norms.

Clodfobble · 10-10-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I personally, being underage myself, dont see the issue with having sex with minors. I mean, under the age of 13 maybe, but I think teens should have the right to choose. I sure as hell know a few adults I wou... Er, ahem, nevermind.
Old people having sex with teens is creepy, but I really dont see the legal/moral problem with it, looking at it from this end.

At its root, it's because unbalanced relationships are unhealthy for one or both people, and at some point we draw a line and say it's too unhealthy to be allowable. Teens should (and do, in most places) have the right to choose to sleep with each other. Think about it this way: if a teen and an adult were dating, do you imagine that the teen would ever be the dominant one in the bedroom? I mean, maybe you'd throw [insert celebrity here] down on the bed and show her what's what, I dunno,

but if it is a given that one partner has significant power over the other, that's likely to be a relationship society frowns on.

mrnoodle · 10-10-2006, 10:41 AM

My IE crashed before I was done typing my rant, so you are all spared the full might of my wrath.

Reader's Digest version: If you are an adult, and you put your weener in kids, you should be set on fire.

mrnoodle · 10-10-2006, 10:52 AM

That said, intellectually, I can see the attraction of older teenagers. They don't have wrinkles or age spots. They don't have mileage. They have an energy and vitality that I can see people wanting to reconnect with, particularly if they haven't felt that way themselves for a few decades.

But if you can't wait for your sexual partners to turn 18, you have some serious issues. I mean, really. Just, ugh. The idea of having sex with anyone whose diaper I could've changed at some point is repulsive in itself.

Ibby · 10-10-2006, 03:12 PM

I dunno, I just feel like, as a teenager, I should be able to choose who I fuck. I mean, yeah, I'm not actually going to (and dont reeeally want to) have sex with any of the ones that I would like to, but I just feel like I should be able to.

Clodfobble · 10-10-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I dunno, I just feel like, as a teenager, I should be able to choose who I fuck. I mean, yeah, I'm not actually going to (and dont reeeally want to) have sex with any of the ones that I would like to, but I just feel like I should be able to.

Hey, I felt the same way. I technically had an over-age boyfriend when I was 16, and I certainly saw nothing wrong with it at the time.

On the other hand, I know a girl who slept with a teacher at my high school... and while at the time I thought she had every right to decide what she wanted, I now look back on it and think there was no way she was mature enough for that situation. And if you think just getting older changes your perspective, just wait till it's your 15-year-old kid who wants to choose who they fuck.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-10-2006, 08:44 PM

What is mature? Someone having enough experience to make good choices? Let the experiences begin.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-11-2006, 01:25 AM

The problem is that teenagers mature at different ages. One may be mature enough for sex with an adult at age 12 while another may have to wait until 17. Common sense is all that is needed but that is very rare to come by these days.....

mrnoodle · 10-11-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I dunno, I just feel like, as a teenager, I should be able to choose who I fuck. I mean, yeah, I'm not actually going to (and dont reeeally want to) have sex with any of the ones that I would like to, but I just feel like I should be able to.

Very true. However, it's not about whether teenagers have the right to have sex with adults, it's about whether adults have the right to have sex with non-adults. And they don't. When you turn 18, you can screw up your life as you see fit, but until then, at least let us THINK we're protecting your naive ass. It makes us feel better.

When I think of some of the people I wanted to do at 16 today, I am eternally grateful that there were mechanisms in place to make it impractical. Ugh. They'd be all old and saggy now.

10-06-2006, 11:22 AM	#1
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Closet Culture An excellent article that broadens the context of Foleygate: http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...6/1005nj1.htm# Gays in Congress remind me of the gays in professional sports; the closet can be a really safe place, despite how dark and confining it is. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

10-10-2006, 08:52 AM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I personally, being underage myself, dont see the issue with having sex with minors. I mean, under the age of 13 maybe, but I think teens should have the right to choose. I sure as hell know a few adults I wou... Er, ahem, nevermind. Old people having sex with teens is creepy, but I really dont see the legal/moral problem with it, looking at it from this end. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-10-2006, 10:41 AM	#9
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	My IE crashed before I was done typing my rant, so you are all spared the full might of my wrath. Reader's Digest version: If you are an adult, and you put your weener in kids, you should be set on fire. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-10-2006, 10:52 AM	#10
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	That said, intellectually, I can see the attraction of older teenagers. They don't have wrinkles or age spots. They don't have mileage. They have an energy and vitality that I can see people wanting to reconnect with, particularly if they haven't felt that way themselves for a few decades. But if you can't wait for your sexual partners to turn 18, you have some serious issues. I mean, really. Just, ugh. The idea of having sex with anyone whose diaper I could've changed at some point is repulsive in itself. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-10-2006, 03:12 PM	#11
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I dunno, I just feel like, as a teenager, I should be able to choose who I fuck. I mean, yeah, I'm not actually going to (and dont reeeally want to) have sex with any of the ones that I would like to, but I just feel like I should be able to. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-06-2006, 11:29 AM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Is this the 4th or 5th thread about this? Are you one of those George Soros operatives, paid to keep beating on the drum?

10-10-2006, 02:58 AM	#4
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Why does anyone care who these people screw?

10-10-2006, 09:38 AM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Technically, there is nothing wrong with adults having consentual sex with teens as long as long as the teen is sexually and mentally mature enough. The only reason we view it as perverted is because of social norms.

10-10-2006, 08:44 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What is mature? Someone having enough experience to make good choices? Let the experiences begin. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-11-2006, 01:25 AM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The problem is that teenagers mature at different ages. One may be mature enough for sex with an adult at age 12 while another may have to wait until 17. Common sense is all that is needed but that is very rare to come by these days.....

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