"Acquire The Fire"

[Trilby]

Oh, but she IS Catholic.


Maybe that makes a difference?

[Bullitt]

Huge.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Huge.

So, it's NOT just that you must be Christian--you must subscibe to YOUR brand of Christian. OH, I see! If noodle means a certain type of Christianity, he should say so. Stupid of me to imagine all followers of Christ and the New Testament would be considered Christians, eh?

Must be nice to be all saved and everything.

[Elspode]

People who walk their talk, truly understanding their own path, are cool. Not plentiful, but cool.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Brianna

So, it's NOT just that you must be Christian--you must subscibe to YOUR brand of Christian. OH, I see! If noodle means a certain type of Christianity, he should say so. Stupid of me to imagine all followers of Christ and the New Testament would be considered Christians, eh?

Must be nice to be all saved and everything.

Sorry Bri I should have said more than one word.. in my opinion, a "real" Christian should be focused on helping other people in all walks of life. Jesus's whole ministry was healing and teaching about love and forgiveness. To me, Catholics have become way too caught up in the religion of Christianity, the cermonies and rituals, etc., and kind of lose the whole message Jesus was giving.
The amount of money and gold and crap that goes into the Vatican alone just disgusts me. Just looking at Jesus's ministry, it makes perfect sense that he would much rather we have spent all that on feeding the hungry, and healing disease instead of flowing ornate robes and other junk.
I did not mean to offend you Bri and I apologize, I just have a very simplistic faith and viewpoint as to what followers of Christ should look like and do.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

The amount of money and gold and crap that goes into the Vatican alone just disgusts me. Just looking at Jesus's ministry, it makes perfect sense that he would much rather we have spent all that on feeding the hungry, and healing disease instead of flowing ornate robes and other junk.

Mostly, they hoard it. Relatively little goes into the robes and trappings.

I do seem to recall that most priests have a personal chalice, though, usually purchased by their families at the time of their ordination.

I attended mass at a friend's parish with his family quite a bit following his death (I was there on a lot of Saturday nights, so I went along). I was quite interested to see a plain clay cup, pitchers, and plate used for the communion offering. First time I'd ever seen that ... my childhood parish was heavy duty traditional Italian neighborhood Roman Catholic and they had a gold chalice you could stun an ox with.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by wolf

Mostly, they hoard it. Relatively little goes into the robes and trappings.

I do seem to recall that most priests have a personal chalice, though, usually purchased by their families at the time of their ordination.

I attended mass at a friend's parish with his family quite a bit following his death (I was there on a lot of Saturday nights, so I went along). I was quite interested to see a plain clay cup, pitchers, and plate used for the communion offering. First time I'd ever seen that ... my childhood parish was heavy duty traditional Italian neighborhood Roman Catholic and they had a gold chalice you could stun an ox with.

I was using those as examples, but you're exactly right.. its just disgusting and abhorrent.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by wolf

my childhood parish was heavy duty traditional Italian neighborhood Roman Catholic and they had a gold chalice you could stun an ox with.

They chose ... poorly.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Sorry Bri I should have said more than one word.. in my opinion, a "real" Christian should be focused on helping other people in all walks of life. Jesus's whole ministry was healing and teaching about love and forgiveness. To me, Catholics have become way too caught up in the religion of Christianity, the cermonies and rituals, etc., and kind of lose the whole message Jesus was giving.

Thank you for the hate. I'd like to personally apologize to you for all the Catholic charities, hospitals, and schools around world. I'm not a big fan of ostentation either whether its found in cathedrals, megachurches, or on someones back or wrist, so I won't defend that. I go to a small, plain, country Catholic church in a gold-free environment (inside secret most of the shiney stuff is just base metals). The Catholic Church had a major upheaval two of your life-times ago addressing many of your complaints, sorry you missed it. There is still a see-saw effect going on as parish communities try to figure out what are respectful trappings for His house. Much of what we base that on is aesthetics and familiarity. I was raised in the post-Vatican II Church so I prefer the simple. I'm tending to this mote in my eye.

Sometimes what we find phoney is what we don't know or understand. That is Panglosses reaction to the Times pictures or honestly my reaction to my first exposure to White Southern Baptist preaching. The teens in that picture are looking for someting bigger than themselves and something better than American pop culture. From experience, (we Catholics have our charismatics as well) some of them will burn out pretty quick lacking a serious grounding in the church but some will form a lasting bond and may even change their lives.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Sorry Bri I should have said more than one word.. in my opinion, a "real" Christian should be focused on helping other people in all walks of life. ....I did not mean to offend you Bri and I apologize, I just have a very simplistic faith and viewpoint as to what followers of Christ should look like and do.

Thanks for the apology, Bullitt--my mother is just such a Christian as you describe--after all, Mother Theresa was a Catholic! My mother is a faithful, kind, generous rosary-saying woman who tries more than a lot of people I know to follow in Jesus' footsteps. She never judges people; she would never say a fellow Christian (or anyone else for that matter--she believes God is the only Judge) was doomed to hell for 'this reason' or 'that reason' but I know the Protestants think Catholics are damned. I certainly hope there's a lot of room in hell...

Do you think Mother Theresa is in hell???

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Thanks for the apology, Bullitt--my mother is just such a Christian as you describe--after all, Mother Theresa was a Catholic! My mother is a faithful, kind, generous rosary-saying woman who tries more than a lot of people I know to follow in Jesus' footsteps. She never judges people; she would never say a fellow Christian (or anyone else for that matter--she believes God is the only Judge) was doomed to hell for 'this reason' or 'that reason' but I know the Protestants think Catholics are damned. I certainly hope there's a lot of room in hell...

Do you think Mother Theresa is in hell???

No ma'am I do not. She was the epitome of how Christians ought to see the world: Love your neighbor. Period.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Brianna

So, it's NOT just that you must be Christian--you must subscibe to YOUR brand of Christian. OH, I see! If noodle means a certain type of Christianity, he should say so. Stupid of me to imagine all followers of Christ and the New Testament would be considered Christians, eh?

Must be nice to be all saved and everything.

that is far from the case Bri. denominational differences are largely irrelevant. most (not all) folks who stand on the "my denomination is better than yours" pedestal subscribe to a religion. that is not the same thing as being a follower of Christ. Jesus isn't a baptist, methodist, catholic, etc. He is God. some folks choose to follow Him as such, regardless of worship style. some are more concerned with following church by laws. it has always been that way and probably always will.