Who are you? Can you prove it?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They didn't arrest him for being guilty, then arrested him on suspicion of being a fugitive.

All this and an example of a NJ soldier returning to his unit when stopped (because a childhood friend stole his identity) for hours (and therefore AWOL) was discussed previously including:
A National ID Card

That discussion defined two things needed: 1) method to prove you are who you claim, and 2) method to protect your identity; verify that no one else is using your ID.

Meanwhile, a recent HP boardroom story is but another example of a system perverted. HP even released Social Security numbers of Board Members to many shady organizations. This part of a program that involved stealing board member phone records, stealing records of those who board members called, and intentionally creating and installing viruses on third party computers.

Once a SS number is distributed (as with those board members), then you are done - cooked - compromised. You cannot change that SS number. You cannot retrieve that number. It was never intended for such identification purposes (and neither was a driver's license). If you have a problem with this summary and did not read the previous details, then don't reply. Above sentences are intentionally vague so that you will assume erroneous conclusions or will read the Nov 2001 discussion.

If cops follow all current LAWS governing their behavior, at all times, we do not need a national ID card.
The card is just a more convenient method of stealing someone's ID... not the other way around.
Your example of the SSI# issue proves the point... not the other way around.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by tw

All this and an example of a NJ soldier returning to his unit when stopped (because a childhood friend stole his identity) for hours (and therefore AWOL) was discussed previously including:
A National ID Card

That discussion defined two things needed: 1) method to prove you are who you claim, and 2) method to protect your identity; verify that no one else is using your ID.

Meanwhile, a recent HP boardroom story is but another example of a system perverted. HP even released Social Security numbers of Board Members to many shady organizations. This part of a program that involved stealing board member phone records, stealing records of those who board members called, and intentionally creating and installing viruses on third party computers.

Once a SS number is distributed (as with those board members), then you are done - cooked - compromised. You cannot change that SS number. You cannot retrieve that number. It was never intended for such identification purposes (and neither was a driver's license). If you have a problem with this summary and did not read the previous details, then don't reply. Above sentences are intentionally vague so that you will assume erroneous conclusions or will read the Nov 2001 discussion.

Y'know, tw, thats probably the best post of yours I've seen. I didnt realize it was you until the very very end.