animal sacrifices (Eid)

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

So, is it really a sacrifice, or is it just a creative way to prepare dinner?

lol Spexxvet



I grew up raising our own beef and chicken. The human slaughter of meat is something of man's right in the food chain?

Even animal sacrifices are noted in the old testament. I think the idea being is that we don't need to spill blood to gain power. If there are religions that still do and the animals are not tortured then I think most can just accept it as something man has done on his way to evolving.


What we ( americans) are guilty of through mere ignorance is the fur trade of domestic animals by countries that do not have animal protection. Such as China. The torture and stripping of animal hides while they are still alive for nothing but to feed american gluttony is one of the highest crimes I can think of.
The torture of living things has got to be condemed. This is the ultimate animal sacrifice as far as I am concerned. Religious animal sacrifice pales in comparision to the real happening right under our noses. Sometimes literally 'right under our nose'. Next time you buy a coat take stock on just what that fir collar is made from. Please

The ultimate sacrifice!

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/humane_...fur_farms.html

[xoxoxoBruce]

Investigators witnessed a significant number of animals that were still alive when the skinning process began—starting with a knife at the rear of the belly and ending with the fur being pulled over the animal's head. After the skin was removed, investigators taped animals being thrown on a pile of other carcasses. These animals were still breathing, had a heartbeat, and continued moving and blinking for between five to ten minutes after their skin had been ripped from their bodies.

Can't waste time killing them first....gotta keep the prices down for those Walmart shoppers.

[ladyangevil]

Thanx Undertoad

oh oh..i would like to say...i don't dislike dogs...i like looking at puppies they're adorable!!!but still...we can't touch them...i can just adore them looking at pictures/videos...i am afraid of the big ones though...as this is a current problem here where recently...3 big stray dogs mauled an 8-year-old child while walking home from school..not sure about the full details though (whether he provoked the dogs or not)..he's alive though...last i heard he was in the ICU.

so there is a debate amongst the people here...some say strays should be put down gently(put to "sleep"?something like that)...and some opinions i read was to kill( ) them...however,in Islam,we are taught to never be cruel to animals..even to dogs & pigs...because they are God's creation nevertheless...so again,in this day and age,it comes down to personal opinions...and depends on what the government says on the proper way to "dispose" of the strays..so it is also important here for those keeping dogs as pets to put collars around their necks..

some of the strays come from labour foreigners (construction) keeping them as pets but when they leave (construction done) they left the dogs there to be strays...sad,isn't it?and...i have noticed recently....there are quite frequent roadkills (accidentally or deliberately..i don't know) on the highways..

really grateful of your opinions you guys...

Quote: All Muslims are not the same, all Christians are not the same, all Americans are not the same, all Britons are not the same and all Brunei people are not the same.

never judge a book by its cover,right?

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Can't waste time killing them first....gotta keep the prices down for those Walmart shoppers.

I should do something but when I have to look at the ugly reality of it straight on my knees buckle under. It is a great crushing weight of sadness. I wish there was something I could do.

Originally Posted by ladyangevil

but still...we can't touch them..

Why can't you touch dogs?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Because it's a convenient solution to, Daddy, daddy, can I have a puppy?

[Elspode]

I for one am greatly appreciating a Muslim voice here in The Cellar. It is also heartening to hear acknowleged that following a Muslim path does not automatically take one to jihad, sharia and suicide.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Right you are, Elspode. LadyAnGeVIL is obviously intelligent, articulate, and educated.
Being from Brunei, I would guess she is the opposite side of the coin, from the people we see on the news. It's a pleasure to hear her views on anything and everything, from daily life to international politics, rather than have a third party tell us what she(they) thinks.

It would be nice to hear from some American Muslims too, I'm sure there must be a couple lurking.

[Tonchi]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

Why can't you touch dogs?

Muslims consider dogs to be "unclean", in the same way that all carrion eaters are unclean to both Muslims and Jews. I believe the dog got this bad rap because in the environment where Islam spread, back in the 10th century, a lot of dead bodies got created. Dogs ran through the area of the fighting, eating the bodies of the dead. Vultures and eagles are also unclean for the same reason, and since pigs are fed garbage and have been known to eat anything that happens to venture into their pen.....

The only dogs traditional Muslims were allowed to have were the Salukis and other breeds which were used for hunting, as were the hawks. Although neither of these creatures may be eaten, they may be touched. They are not unclean if being used as hunting implements. However, making a PET out of an animal is either discouraged or forbidden in most Muslim cultures. There is a crackdown going on in Saudi Arabia right now by the "Morals Police" against people who are bringing pedigreed dogs or cats out in public as status symbols. Defenders of the right to own pets have pointed out that the Prophet kept cats, and even allowed his favorite cat to drink from the basin where he made his ablutions before praying.

I read an explanation of the indifference to animal suffering that has been noted in so many Muslim countries. This author explained that a Muslim has a different concept of pity. Of course, he was speaking of men, who tend to be the only face of these cultures for reasons best not gone into right now. Anyway, pity makes you weak so you must not let pity enter your mind. They believe that pity is not in YOUR nature, it is an essence sent out by the animal, woman, prisoner, whatever, which invades you and weakens you. It is like a contageon. It is not part of you. Therefore, the suffering of another entity does not affect you unless you allow it to. That might have something to do with why the people can calmly walk through rivers of blood during these sacrifices. Very possibly the women are not instructed in these fine points because it serves the culture to have them respond to the pain of others and offer succor, I don't know. It would be interesting to see what our new visitor's comments on this are.