Hazelton ans Riverside

[9th Engineer]

Time and time again it boils down to the fact that WE HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY WORKERS ALREADY HERE either in the form of unemployed or in seasonal labor such as students (I can't think of a more fitting summer job for a highschool student than picking fruit). If we desparately need more unskilled labor (which we don't) then let the companies send visas to who they want, just no more of this "drive your truck down to the 7/11 and pick up some labor" bullshit. It's a matter of adapting, the farms are used to getting off easy with illegal labor, that's changing and they're bitching about it rather than switching to other methods.
We finally get a town that is willing to enforce the laws already in place for this kind of thing and the ACLU want to stop them, why am I not supprised.

[tw]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

It's a matter of adapting, the farms are used to getting off easy with illegal labor, that's changing and they're bitching about it rather than switching to other methods.

Classic 'blame the victim' reasoning. An anti-free trade US has no merit? Since we are so fearful of immigrants, put millions of soldiers on our borders. At what point do you realize your reasoning is grossly erroneous?

Tell us where America has 1.8 million people unemployed and ready to work as migrant workers? Where are your numbers? 1.8 million needed workers and only 29,000 visas - more damning numbers. But clearly the laws could never be wrong. So you blame the victim? You blame the farmer? You blame the immigrant workers? But the laws can never be wrong? Massive price increases for produce don't bother you for one minute? Wow. I wish I could rationalize like that.

Meanwhile, the US government is again about to pass massive farm subsidized and price supports so that evil farmers can get richer. Maybe we should eliminate government welfare to farmers so they stop hiring immigrants? More walls. More guns. Blame the greedy farmer. Or maybe we have immigration laws and government subsidies that are classic anti-American, anti-free market, and so classic when extremists fear foreigners. We won the cold war to only do same USSR economics? Where is the logic in that? Next we should make collective farms.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

I am now seeing 20% and 50% price increases from same period one year ago.

So automatically it's a shortage of illegal aliens causing it? There was a local farmer(NJ) on the news the other night saying he had to let his crops die because he couldn't afford to fuel his irrigation pumps. He don't need no stinkin' pickers.
The cost of fuel and the fertilizers made from the same petroleum stocks, the cost of buying and maintaining equipment, property (and other) taxes, transportation of everything, the weather, competition, the weight of the jockey, and a million other things effect the price of fresh produce. Fluctuations in fresh produce prices are not unusual, even large ones.

tw, your a whirling dervish, the way you can spin anything, to support your argument. If you weren't so principled you could work for Bush.