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[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yes, the only way you can paint the 67 war as offensive is to cherry-pick quotes here and there.

Now it's cherry picking quotes suddenly? Does that mean they didn't say it or doesn't these quotes fit your world view?

Evasion answer to an evasion question.

It was a direct question and you're still evasing it.

MaggieL; again, it all goes back to the 1967 borders. It has been stated by all parties concerned that these borders are acceptable to all. Which means peace in the area. But, I have to repeat myself in your case; that means concessions from Israel and we know that they don't negotiate, they impose actions unilaterally.

Their "unilateral" withdrawal from Gaza (in which they're back again) was a well calculated strategy to increase their territory on the West Bank. 7000 settlers at the end were impossible to protect without collossal efforts and costs. Just a matter of cost and balances.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

MaggieL; again, it all goes back to the 1967 borders. It has been stated by all parties concerned that these borders are acceptable to all.

And that would be the end of the salami game? It was reason enough for war in 1967, but now it's suddenly OK. You'll have pardon me if I'm skeptical.

I'm also envisioning a slot machine as designed by an anti-Israelite (there's too much shell game to use a more precise label than that).

You put a coin in and launch an attack...I mean...you pull the lever. If you win something, you get to keep it. If you don't, the UN imposes a cease-fire, you get your coin back and try again in five years.

[Hippikos]

If my home was confiscated, I'd be really, really steaming mad.

Well, there ya go UT, starting to feel what Palestines felt.

I'd start by bringing my grievances to the governments involved, the local government and the federal government. I'd both question the legitimacy of the UN and demand to speak to the UN to try to reverse the situation. I would use every bit of power I could find. Up to, and not including, taking up arms to kill people.

Well there ya go again UT. Numerous UN motions have been accepted on that issue which Israel has not implicated.

I'd ask Jacquelita if I could move in with her. If her house was confiscated, I'd suggest that we move to our mom's houses, if our moms were agreeable. If that didn't fly, I'd call my friends in California and ask if we could hang for a while until we got jobs.

After a while, the reality of moving on with my life would overwhelm the anger at being uprooted. I would get a job, get productive. I'd watch comedies. I would still work to affect the politics that led to the situation, which is to say I would try to end the UN, and ask for some level of reparations from the new owner. I would still try to use every bit of power I could find. Up to, and not including, taking up arms to kill people.

After a number of years, I would simply try to make the most of my life, because it makes no sense to harbor such anger. If I had children, I would tell them that those people took our house, which made life tough for a while; but I would also tell them that a lingering, resentful anger is unproductive. I'd tell them that it is far more important to bring about a culture of respect for property and people. And that to bring about such a culture is the ultimate revenge and the sensible response to what has happened.

In teaching my children, I would point to the highest moral examples, such as Gandhi, and if I were Christian I'd use the example of Jesus, to show how sometimes there is a greater value in turning the other cheek to our adversaries.

Thank you for an insight in your life philosophy. I believe your forgot to mention how you would react on the fact that the intruders, whilst robbing your place have murdered some of your relatives, respectively have separated you from them. I even accept that you would turn your other cheek in that case and move on with your life by watching comedies whilst living with your mother.

Now, the question right back at you. I've answered, so you please answer. What would YOU do if your home was confiscated?

Most likely I would do what certainly most Americans would do (helped by their right to bear arms) and would blast the hell outta them if they had the guts to steal my house and start killing my relatives. I’m pretty sure the majority of all people would react that way.

Would you kill their grandchildren?

Absolutely not. But I can’t say what my grandchildren would do if they were in the same situation as I was, probably the same.

"...and that's why international terrorism is justified." Now you see how I came to that reply.

This was my answer in post #86, probably you overlooked it. “NO terrorism is justified, from nobody, inc Israel. Some say one's freedom fighter ist the other's terrorist. Most of Israel's PM's started their carreer as terrorist.”