11/4/2002: Gay Games open - Page 4

MaggieL · 11-07-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar

As for your normal olympics comment, what woulld you prefer i call it, the striaght olympics? The evil olympics for the repressive majority?

"The straight Olympics" works for me. They're not evil, but they're not a reason to not have the Gay Games.

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As for alientation maggie, not there, sorry.

Really? Seems to me your disparagement of the games is driven by that very alienation.

If you truly do live in such a totally liberated utopian space that there's no reason to have Gay Games, then good on you. But I don't think you'd have to travel very far before you'd be outside such friendly spaces. We're also within spitting distance of the old "some of my best friends..." canard again...maybe you'd have to have been around in the 1960's to know how hollow that sounds to those of us who were around then.

The world I live in is *vastly* more gay-friendly than it was even twenty years ago. But my glasses aren't rose-colored enough for me to pretend that this is a world that's safe for queers; it isn't, and that's the truth. Maybe you should walk a few more miles in queer shoes before you tell me how good everything is.

I do hate gay bar music, though. :-)

perth · 11-07-2002, 04:00 PM

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I do hate gay bar music, though. :-)

why? what do they play?

~james

MaggieL · 11-07-2002, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
Dave is saying that it's society that makes him sad, and I'm agreeing with him.

Well, that's what I thought; but his words didn't exactly say that. I thought I'd comment on it.

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I'm recalling the way I felt, and I think the way USians felt, the weeks following 9/11. As much as I don't bring it up, it was an odd feeling at times that all of a sudden we weren't all different groups any longer, but that all of a sudden everything that everyone felt brought us completely together. We weren't straights and gays, whites and blacks and asians and puerto ricans, poor rich or middle class, etc. We were just americans trying to figure out what happens next.

There's a lot of truth in that; the threat we felt at that time was monsterous enough that it made a lot of our differences seem small by comparison.

But it didn't take long for that to evaporate for some folks. Two days after the attack, Falwell and Robertson were on TV blaming gays and lesbians (among other despised groups such as pagans) for it, saying: 'I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen".'

Idiotarians of the Right, indeed.

Four weeks after 9/11 the AP ran a picture worldwide of a sailor loading a Taliban-targeted bomb bearing the graffiti legend, "High Jack This, Fags." Pretty ironic considering the Taliban punished homosexuals by sharia law: lining them up against a stone wall and then pushing it over on them.

MaggieL · 11-07-2002, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by perth

why? what do they play?

Around here it's non-stop dance mix at what seems like 100 dBA; totally destructive of any ability to socialize. When I want to bathe in sound I'll go to a rock concert. But then I'm a notorious old fart.

jaguar · 11-07-2002, 04:20 PM

Never been to a gay bar, been to a gay nightclub, that was pretty good (friends first time wanted me to come with him, first time a guy tried to pick me up, odd experience. Sets just seem to be better, this is techo we're talking about keep that in mind. I guess events that attaract diverse audiances tend to have better music. Some of the big ones held down at the warves like hardware were just fantastic, pity they shut that down, now the best events are ones like earthcose held out in forrests, great fun and attract a really good mix of people. Maggie most decent events ahve chillout areas where you can chat/socialise etc, they're called raves/dance parties for a reason. 100db is tame too

UT you reminded me of this fantastic song by Tom Lehrer, absolute legend that guy.

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand.
You can tolerate him if you try.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!

Nic Name · 11-07-2002, 04:32 PM

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Jag missed my comment ... then missed the joke, anyway

missed your coment Nic, don't know about where you live but its not going to be privately tollerated here either, you're misinterpreting what I said either way.

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the gay world according to Jag

I'm mean pubicly its not going to be tollerated ...
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So long as you keep it in yer pants laddies. No, not you ladies!

I was trying to point out, in a humorous way, that you misspelled publicly as pubicly, which is especially funny when we're discussing toleration of gay sexuality.

It may be coincidental that I live in Toronto, Canada, which is known for being the most gay friendly city in North America after San Francisco.

We're less tolerant of those who can't spell tolerated.

jaguar · 11-07-2002, 04:51 PM

I'm not doing well today

Beletseri · 11-07-2002, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by jaguar

As for your normal olympics comment, what woulld you prefer i call it, the striaght olympics? The evil olympics for the repressive majority?
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"The straight Olympics" works for me. They're not evil, but they're not a reason to not have the Gay Games.

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But gay people aren't barred from the Olympics so I don't think "straight Olympics" works either.

That Guy · 11-07-2002, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by MaggieL

GLBT folks ...

Hold the mayo.

tjennings · 11-07-2002, 06:37 PM

I have but one question. Do they separate between men's and women's events? If so, how?

MaggieL · 11-07-2002, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by tjennings
I have but one question. Do they separate between men's and women's events? If so, how?

Good point. Last I heard, they did have separate men's and women's events (at least for sports where that's traditional). There was indeed a huge controversy at one point over transsexual women entering as women.

As far as I know they didn't get to the point of genetic testing like in the straight Olympics. As I recall, the final resolution of the issue was based on a judgement call by medical personel who were to take into into account stuff like sex-reassignment surgery and hormonal therapy. Goodness knows *I* don't have the upper body strength I used to. I've even lost about an inch of height, although my skeletal frame is otherwise pretty much what it was pretransition.

I doubt that the figure skater whose image started the thread would be permitted to compete as a woman.

tjennings · 11-08-2002, 10:19 AM

Maybe they could use a weighted average. They would have to assign each competitor something like a male/female ratio score. Your score or time in each event would be adjusted based on that ratio (kind of like a degree of difficulty adjustment in diving).

I guess that would just be one more thing to argue about. "I got screwed, they said I'm still 45% male, when I'm sure I'm no more than 30%." Or something like that.

CharlieG · 11-08-2002, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by tjennings
Maybe they could use a weighted average. ...snip...

I have a better idea - why don't we just drop the male/female distiction, just like we are supposed to do in most workplaces, in writing (so you see the artificial (s)he). Let the men and women, straight or gay, black or white (or green with purple polkadots), all compete - and let the best person win!

richlevy · 11-09-2002, 10:51 AM

And where would that put Tonya Harding? On one hand she's got that biker chick toughness, on the other hand she appears to be enthusiastically hetero. As a matter of fact, considering the fact that she is an Olympic athlete and a little on the tough side, I think I would place her in the on my just now formed

"Top 10 Women it Would Be Dangerous to Literally 'Screw With' (But might be worth it)" list.

Candidates would be those who from non-B&D sexual activity, would be most likely to place their partners in the emergency room (or morgue).

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Originally posted by tjennings
Maybe they could use a weighted average. They would have to assign each competitor something like a male/female ratio score. Your score or time in each event would be adjusted based on that ratio (kind of like a degree of difficulty adjustment in diving).

I guess that would just be one more thing to argue about. "I got screwed, they said I'm still 45% male, when I'm sure I'm no more than 30%." Or something like that.

Nic Name · 11-09-2002, 10:55 AM

That could be a hot thread, if you'd care to start one!

11-07-2002, 04:20 PM	#50
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Never been to a gay bar, been to a gay nightclub, that was pretty good (friends first time wanted me to come with him, first time a guy tried to pick me up, odd experience. Sets just seem to be better, this is techo we're talking about keep that in mind. I guess events that attaract diverse audiances tend to have better music. Some of the big ones held down at the warves like hardware were just fantastic, pity they shut that down, now the best events are ones like earthcose held out in forrests, great fun and attract a really good mix of people. Maggie most decent events ahve chillout areas where you can chat/socialise etc, they're called raves/dance parties for a reason. 100db is tame too UT you reminded me of this fantastic song by Tom Lehrer, absolute legend that guy. Oh, the white folks hate the black folks, And the black folks hate the white folks. To hate all but the right folks Is an old established rule. But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week, Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek. It's fun to eulogize The people you despise, As long as you don't let 'em in your school. Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks, And the rich folks hate the poor folks. All of my folks hate all of your folks, It's American as apple pie. But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week, New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic. Step up and shake the hand Of someone you can't stand. You can tolerate him if you try. Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics, And the Catholics hate the Protestants, And the Hindus hate the Moslems, And everybody hates the Jews. But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week, It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week. Be nice to people who Are inferior to you. It's only for a week, so have no fear. Be grateful that it doesn't last all year! __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 11-07-2002 at 04:24 PM.

11-07-2002, 04:51 PM	#52
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I'm not doing well today __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-07-2002, 06:37 PM	#55
tjennings Belt Conveyor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sioux City, IA Posts: 66	I have but one question. Do they separate between men's and women's events? If so, how? __________________ No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962)

11-08-2002, 10:19 AM	#57
tjennings Belt Conveyor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sioux City, IA Posts: 66	Maybe they could use a weighted average. They would have to assign each competitor something like a male/female ratio score. Your score or time in each event would be adjusted based on that ratio (kind of like a degree of difficulty adjustment in diving). I guess that would just be one more thing to argue about. "I got screwed, they said I'm still 45% male, when I'm sure I'm no more than 30%." Or something like that. __________________ No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962)

11-07-2002, 04:54 PM	#53
Beletseri Yeah sez you Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 206	Originally posted by jaguar As for your normal olympics comment, what woulld you prefer i call it, the striaght olympics? The evil olympics for the repressive majority? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The straight Olympics" works for me. They're not evil, but they're not a reason to not have the Gay Games. _____________ But gay people aren't barred from the Olympics so I don't think "straight Olympics" works either.

11-09-2002, 10:55 AM	#60
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	That could be a hot thread, if you'd care to start one!

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