Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Hippikos]

The ones you started, or just the ones you regularly visit?

Innuendo is not an answer to my questions UT. Denial is denial. The pattern is obvious. I'm looking forward to your blogsites refuting the Lebanon destruction.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Innuendo is not an answer to my questions UT. Denial is denial. The pattern is obvious. I'm looking forward to your blogsites refuting the Lebanon destruction.

You're completely right, denial is denial. The thing is, nobody's denying that lebanon's getting (was getting) pummelled. People ARE exposing hisballah's fake pictures and staged photo ops. The fact that hisballah is faking and staging DOES detract from the enormity of the destruction, because since so many fakes have been exposed, people are starting to view all photos from the conflict suspiciously. Yes, shit is (was) happening. But that doesn't mean hisballah isn't faking and staging pictures. The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Ibram

You're completely right, denial is denial. The thing is, nobody's denying that lebanon's getting (was getting) pummelled. People ARE exposing hisballah's fake pictures and staged photo ops. The fact that hisballah is faking and staging DOES detract from the enormity of the destruction, because since so many fakes have been exposed, people are starting to view all photos from the conflict suspiciously. Yes, shit is (was) happening. But that doesn't mean hisballah isn't faking and staging pictures. The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

I would add that the shit that was happening to Lebanon was entirely because Hezbollah was hiding behind women and children in residential neighborhoods. That proves they are cowards.

The faked photos prove they are liars.

I'm not a fan of Israel's disproportionate response to having two men captured, but Hezbollah is far worse than Israel.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by glatt

I would add that the shit that was happening to Lebanon was entirely because Hezbollah was hiding behind women and children in residential neighborhoods. That proves they are cowards.

They are just "Family Oriented".

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibram

The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

The task: view the big picture. Do not be sidetracked - as UT would have us all do - by a staged or suspect picture. Reality is that Israelis attacked all of Lebanon including Red Cross and Red Crescent convoys. Anyone anywhere in Lebanon was threatened by Israeli attack - even in Akkar province. Notice how UT ignores that post which contradicts his speculations. A post that addresses the big picture; is ignored by hyping a faked picture as proof that Israelis wear white.

Pathetic leadership from Olmert’s government should have been obvious to every Israeli weeks ago. Those looking at a big picture would have discussed same here in The Cellar. Israelis citizens are only just starting to question; returning troops reporting poor strategic decision making. So poor that even infantryman knew it. So pathetic that Israel even attacked 90% of Lebanon that was not Hezbollah as if that would liberate two kidnapped soldiers. Oh. We forgot about those soldiers – and we forget reasons why Hezbollah exists. This again because we let minutia sidetrack us. Minuta and myths such as Hezbollah want to kill Americans AND photoshopped pictures. Clearly all Arabs are evil – when we ignore facts from the big picture.

An agenda justified by minutia; created because reality – the big picture – is completely ignored. Israeli attacked all of Lebanon – for reasons that just don’t make sense and that may bring back extremist Likud.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

The task: view the big picture. ~ big snip

I can't see the "big picture", because it's too big, too complicated, not to mention changing too fast, for even people dedicating their life to it to understand.

You think you see it but all your seeing is Cliff's Notes....and hoping Cliff sees the big picture. I'm betting he doesn't either.

People who have a life, people who work for a living, people who have responsibilities, don't have the time to dedicate to the big picture. That's why we hire people to take care of international affairs.

The stories about the faked media reports is an important caution to eye all news reports with a discerning eye.....even Cliff's.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The stories about the faked media reports is an important caution to eye all news reports with a discerning eye.

So you believe UT who insists Israelis were not attacking any ambulances. So you believe those Red Cross and Red Crescent workers were lying about being attacked? So that convoy of hundreds of Israeli attacked refugees north of the Latani River did not happen?

The big picture: Israeli attacked all of Lebanon right up to the most northern province of Akkar, for reasons that just don’t make sense and that may bring back extremist Likud. What is so complicated about? Are you saying Israel did not attack all Lebanon? Are you suggesting that all pictures of Lebanon damage are photoshopped forgeries? Are you claiming the investigation of cluster bombs used in hundreds of locations never existed?

Big picture is not complex. Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers as done previously to liberate prisoners. But this time, Israel attacked all of Lebanon for confused reasons. Details and reason why may be confusing. But a big picture is straight forward - and irrelevant to some fraudulent pictures. Israeli attacked all of Lebanon – for reasons that just don’t make sense and that may bring back extremist Likud.

Some photos are photoshopped. It happens as will always happen. Does that mean all or even most pictures are photoshopped? Not for one minute. All sides promote propaganda. Photoshopped pictures are important to Rush Limbaugh types - because fakes and frauds are promoted everyday even on your TV. That does not change the big picture: Israel attacked all of Lebanon for mysterious and confused reasons. Israeli leadership was so confused and indecisive that Olmert's government may fall.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh calm the fuck down, and stop accusing me of not believing this and that.

You really don't think this little shoot out in Lebanon is the "big picture", it's just a piece, but you know that. You haven't forgotten the Brotherhood, so soon. A satellite couldn't see the area the big picture encompasses.

Saying Israel attacked for "mysterious and confused reasons" just helps make my point, it's too big, too complicated and changing too fast, for anyone to understand it all.

Bringing to light any manipulation of the "free" press is important, because you can't tell the players without a program. If they're messing with the program then we have to be cautious of everything reported.

Nobody with half a brain is going to dismiss all reports and photographs, because of those faked and photoshopped ones, but it gives us a better picture of which news sources are more or less trustworthy.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh calm the fuck down,

I asked your adult brain a question. Why did I get your childish and abusive side? Answer the question - a straight and logical question - without childish emotions. Answer the question as it was posted - logically.

Meanwhile you owe everyone an apology for posting perverted and irrelevant language, and for replying emotionally.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Nobody with half a brain is going to dismiss all reports and photographs, because of those faked and photoshopped ones, but it gives us a better picture of which news sources are more or less trustworthy.

Those fakes and photoshopped pictures only tell us that propagandists are still alive and doing well. Meanwhile, UT denies that Israelis attacked 90% of innocent Lebanese. And that is the big picture. Why did Olmert's government think for one minute that it would accomplish something useful? A decision so flawed that it might mean an end of Olmert's government and the return of Likud. That is the big picture. Photoshopped pictures? An interesting sidebar and not relevant to what and why Lebanon (ie Beirut Airport) was attacked by Israel. That is the big picture. What Israel did to Lebanon, and questions that ask why.