Oil Crisis: Solution - Page 2

footfootfoot · 08-16-2006, 08:05 PM

The real problem is that we have no rail system to speak of. All the highways currently filled with cars should be rails with a genuine train system connecting cities.

Flint · 08-16-2006, 08:20 PM

Yes, trains would eliminate be one way to the wasteful practice of vanity acceleration. Plus, nobody gets "road rage" on a train. Of course, sometimes you just get bored, on a train, and start stabbing people at random...or so I've heard. I wouldn't know, I grew up in the largest city in the country that doesn't have a public transportation system. (According to urban legend, and Wikipedia)

footfootfoot · 08-16-2006, 08:44 PM

The US is the largest country in the country which doesn't have a public transportation system.

Flint · 08-16-2006, 09:57 PM

Trivia: "largest metropolitan city in the country without a public transit system for the general population" (And don't just Google this phrase)

footfootfoot · 08-16-2006, 10:02 PM

can I extrapolate from your Texas location? If so, how's Dallas?

Flint · 08-16-2006, 10:05 PM

Close enough. It's Arlington. Right smack-dab in the middle of the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth) "Metroplex" . . .

xoxoxoBruce · 08-16-2006, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Not so fast, Mr. Bruce.

When I made decision to concentrate exclusively on accoustic drums, I took into account, primarily, that the definition of a drum, to me, is something which can produce music without dependance on a source of electrical power. A drum is a simple construction, made of renewable, recyleable, organic materials materials like wood and animals skins.

Now, these computers you refer to, I believe they quickly become obsolete, and are promptly deployed to clog our landfills with toxic chemicals . . . What exactly was your point?

Wood and animal skins? Red metalflake wood and skins from the wild polyethylene terephthalate Boar?

I'm glad you can produce music without electricity because your going to have to amuse yourself during the looooong wait for the rest of the band.
I hear the saxophone crop was ruined this year and the princess in the tower is way behind with the guitar string spinning.

No, the computers don't become quickly obsolete. Even if they did, they can produce and store enough music to last thousands of years, and do it without copyright infringement, virtually overnight.

So I decided, you don't need to make music.
That's only fair since you decided I should ride the fucking train/bus.

Pangloss62 · 08-17-2006, 07:14 AM

I have a cuica. Man, is that thing loud.

You guys ever play a cuica?

Griff · 08-17-2006, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So I decided, you don't need to make music.
That's only fair since you decided I should ride the fucking train/bus.

I was hoping you wouldn't have to spell it out. We all value choice. The question is will we value each others?

Undertoad · 08-17-2006, 07:35 AM

I tinkered around with my drummer's $3000 Roland kit and it was

stone
cold
awesome.

Every surface including cymbals seemed natural and right to hit, and with a press of a button he could go from the Zep "Rock n Roll" sound to a light jazz ensemble playing with brushes in a small room.

Plus, it set up in minutes.

Reconsider!

Flint · 08-17-2006, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

And that is the problem with the line of reasoning I have presented here. It's logical conclusion results in some kind of restrictive social engineering.

Flint · 08-17-2006, 09:16 AM

Roland's V-Drums are sweet, no doubt about that. The tunable mesh heads with positional sensing and triggerable rims are a delight, very responsive. One of the coolest things about V-drums is the virtual sound modeling - you can "build" a drum from scratch: what kind of shell material, how thick, how many plies, how deep, what kind of head, what kind of mic, what mic position, in what kind room, etc. etc. etc. - it's like having every possible drumkit, all in one set. Plus, the effects are built in.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. As a gigging drummer, the possibilities are endless with these things, because for each song, you can construct the ideal sound palette - IE, for slow tempo ballads, dial up a huge snare that goes "boosh." I've seen cover bands using these things to great effect, having patches built for each song which emulate the exact sounds heard on the album.

Taking all this into consideration, one of the fundamentals of drumming, to me, is that less is more, and too many options are a distraction. You always run the risk of your work being influenced too heavily by the tools you used to create it, leaving a discernable artifact on the music which isn't your own personal signature, but one that was pre-destined at the factory. My chosen path in drumming, at this point, is to stick to the fundamentals, and expand my musical horizons through technique, as opposed to gadgetry. That's just where I'm at right now.

glatt · 08-17-2006, 10:12 AM

Ahem.

I have a potential solution. One where nobody is told what they have to do.

First, the oil crisis is primarily that we are using too much foreign oil.

We shouldn't use any. Foreign oil is the most costly oil there is. It's costly because we have to meddle in the Middle East to keep it flowing.

How many billions of dollars have we spent on Isreal? How many billions on Saudi Arabia? How many billions in Iraq? How much did our economy lose as a result of 9/11? You get the picture. If we could just eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, we could completely cut out all that spending. As a bonus, if we were no longer meddling in the Mideast, the terrorists would probably leave us alone. Wouldn't it be nice to never have to pay attention to the Mideast again? Let the Chinese or the EU worry about them for a change. I'm talking about pulling out completely. No aid for anyone.

So eliminating our foreign oil dependence is our goal. But we're obviosly not there yet. So in the meantime, we can shift the cost of that dependence to where it really belongs. The gas pump.

This is a pie in the sky solution that will never happen, but I think we would go a long way toward solving our oil problems if gas was sold for its true price. If all that Mideast meddling was payed for with gasoline taxes instead of income taxes, we would have more money in our wallets after we get paid, but we would be facing a higher price at the pump. That's when you get to make a choice. That's when the market helps to decide the direction we should take. Nobody is told what to do. You can buy an SUV or an econobox car. If you buy the SUV, you will be spending all your extra paycheck money at the pump. If you buy a fuel efficient car, you can maybe take the wife out to dinner once or twice a month. Alternative fuels, which have been proportionately more expensive would suddenly be able to compete. Consumers would be shocked at the price of gas and would be more likely to choose more fuel efficient vehicles and/or public transportation.

It's really just a simple shifting of costs, but will have the tendency to reduce our dependency on foreign oil.

I don't have all the details figured out, and the devil would be in the details, but the basic idea is that you have more money in your pocket, but gas costs a lot more.

Added bonus is that as the price of gas goes up, alternative fuels are able to compete. Also, people will tend to use less, so carbon emmisions go down, and the global warming situation is improved.

No terrorism. No global warming. No wars in the Mideast. We become self sufficient and more secure. What's not to like? All with a little accounting trick.

dar512 · 08-17-2006, 11:49 AM

Take a look at this page. Note which countries have the largest oil reserves. Then decide if you want to be beholden to those folks and let that be your guide.

As for me, I've been riding my bike a lot more to run local errands.

tw · 08-17-2006, 05:22 PM

World Oil Reserves

Saudi Arabia: dictatorship and refuses to be a democracy
Canada: mostly in tar sands which means oil prices must remain 'high' to recover oil
Iran: not a democracy and part of the axis of evil
Iraq: now a net oil importer after being Pearl Harbored
Kuwait: dictatorship and refuses to be a democracy
UAE: cannot be trusted (see Dubai Ports World to define the problem)
Venezuela: openly advocated violence against the US by claiming to be targeted
Russia: who knows what Putin's agenda really is
Other: Includes Nigeria - the largest source of US imported oil and may be failing into civil war due to too much wealth and corruption by a elitist few and so much hunger and despair among its people.
Includes Indonesia who even Israel does not trust on their Lebanon border.

We should nuke them all and just take our oil.

US was once the world's third largest oil producer. But we sucked all that up as if there would be no tomorrow. So routinely suck up oil with no regard that people even complain when oil prices only return to 1970s levels. Now we make deals with corrupt K'stan nations to protect our SUVs and acres of commercial buildings that have virtually no insulation.

08-16-2006, 08:05 PM	#16
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	The real problem is that we have no rail system to speak of. All the highways currently filled with cars should be rails with a genuine train system connecting cities. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

08-16-2006, 08:20 PM	#17
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Yes, trains would eliminate be one way to the wasteful practice of vanity acceleration. Plus, nobody gets "road rage" on a train. Of course, sometimes you just get bored, on a train, and start stabbing people at random...or so I've heard. I wouldn't know, I grew up in the largest city in the country that doesn't have a public transportation system. (According to urban legend, and Wikipedia) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-16-2006, 08:44 PM	#18
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	The US is the largest country in the country which doesn't have a public transportation system. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

08-16-2006, 09:57 PM	#19
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Trivia: "largest metropolitan city in the country without a public transit system for the general population" (And don't just Google this phrase) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-16-2006, 10:02 PM	#20
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	can I extrapolate from your Texas location? If so, how's Dallas? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

08-16-2006, 10:05 PM	#21
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Close enough. It's Arlington. Right smack-dab in the middle of the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth) "Metroplex" . . . __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-17-2006, 07:14 AM	#23
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Drums I have a cuica. Man, is that thing loud. You guys ever play a cuica? __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

08-17-2006, 07:35 AM	#25
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I tinkered around with my drummer's $3000 Roland kit and it was stone cold awesome. Every surface including cymbals seemed natural and right to hit, and with a press of a button he could go from the Zep "Rock n Roll" sound to a light jazz ensemble playing with brushes in a small room. Plus, it set up in minutes. Reconsider!

08-17-2006, 09:16 AM	#27
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Roland V-Drums Roland's V-Drums are sweet, no doubt about that. The tunable mesh heads with positional sensing and triggerable rims are a delight, very responsive. One of the coolest things about V-drums is the virtual sound modeling - you can "build" a drum from scratch: what kind of shell material, how thick, how many plies, how deep, what kind of head, what kind of mic, what mic position, in what kind room, etc. etc. etc. - it's like having every possible drumkit, all in one set. Plus, the effects are built in. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. As a gigging drummer, the possibilities are endless with these things, because for each song, you can construct the ideal sound palette - IE, for slow tempo ballads, dial up a huge snare that goes "boosh." I've seen cover bands using these things to great effect, having patches built for each song which emulate the exact sounds heard on the album. Taking all this into consideration, one of the fundamentals of drumming, to me, is that less is more, and too many options are a distraction. You always run the risk of your work being influenced too heavily by the tools you used to create it, leaving a discernable artifact on the music which isn't your own personal signature, but one that was pre-destined at the factory. My chosen path in drumming, at this point, is to stick to the fundamentals, and expand my musical horizons through technique, as opposed to gadgetry. That's just where I'm at right now. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-17-2006, 10:12 AM	#28
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Ahem. I have a potential solution. One where nobody is told what they have to do. First, the oil crisis is primarily that we are using too much foreign oil. We shouldn't use any. Foreign oil is the most costly oil there is. It's costly because we have to meddle in the Middle East to keep it flowing. How many billions of dollars have we spent on Isreal? How many billions on Saudi Arabia? How many billions in Iraq? How much did our economy lose as a result of 9/11? You get the picture. If we could just eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, we could completely cut out all that spending. As a bonus, if we were no longer meddling in the Mideast, the terrorists would probably leave us alone. Wouldn't it be nice to never have to pay attention to the Mideast again? Let the Chinese or the EU worry about them for a change. I'm talking about pulling out completely. No aid for anyone. So eliminating our foreign oil dependence is our goal. But we're obviosly not there yet. So in the meantime, we can shift the cost of that dependence to where it really belongs. The gas pump. This is a pie in the sky solution that will never happen, but I think we would go a long way toward solving our oil problems if gas was sold for its true price. If all that Mideast meddling was payed for with gasoline taxes instead of income taxes, we would have more money in our wallets after we get paid, but we would be facing a higher price at the pump. That's when you get to make a choice. That's when the market helps to decide the direction we should take. Nobody is told what to do. You can buy an SUV or an econobox car. If you buy the SUV, you will be spending all your extra paycheck money at the pump. If you buy a fuel efficient car, you can maybe take the wife out to dinner once or twice a month. Alternative fuels, which have been proportionately more expensive would suddenly be able to compete. Consumers would be shocked at the price of gas and would be more likely to choose more fuel efficient vehicles and/or public transportation. It's really just a simple shifting of costs, but will have the tendency to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. I don't have all the details figured out, and the devil would be in the details, but the basic idea is that you have more money in your pocket, but gas costs a lot more. Added bonus is that as the price of gas goes up, alternative fuels are able to compete. Also, people will tend to use less, so carbon emmisions go down, and the global warming situation is improved. No terrorism. No global warming. No wars in the Mideast. We become self sufficient and more secure. What's not to like? All with a little accounting trick.

08-17-2006, 11:49 AM	#29
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Take a look at this page. Note which countries have the largest oil reserves. Then decide if you want to be beholden to those folks and let that be your guide. As for me, I've been riding my bike a lot more to run local errands. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

08-17-2006, 05:22 PM	#30
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	World Oil Reserves Saudi Arabia: dictatorship and refuses to be a democracy Canada: mostly in tar sands which means oil prices must remain 'high' to recover oil Iran: not a democracy and part of the axis of evil Iraq: now a net oil importer after being Pearl Harbored Kuwait: dictatorship and refuses to be a democracy UAE: cannot be trusted (see Dubai Ports World to define the problem) Venezuela: openly advocated violence against the US by claiming to be targeted Russia: who knows what Putin's agenda really is Other: Includes Nigeria - the largest source of US imported oil and may be failing into civil war due to too much wealth and corruption by a elitist few and so much hunger and despair among its people. Includes Indonesia who even Israel does not trust on their Lebanon border. We should nuke them all and just take our oil. US was once the world's third largest oil producer. But we sucked all that up as if there would be no tomorrow. So routinely suck up oil with no regard that people even complain when oil prices only return to 1970s levels. Now we make deals with corrupt K'stan nations to protect our SUVs and acres of commercial buildings that have virtually no insulation.

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