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Old 08-13-2006, 12:29 PM   #1
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aheh. Good question Rich.
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Old 08-13-2006, 12:44 PM   #2
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So, if Hezbollah (Shiite) and Al Queda (Sunni) hate each other, which one is our ally?
Neither, the question doesn't even make sense. I never said 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', rather, 'he who aids my enemy, is my enemy'. My point was that it's pointless for an organization to feign friendship with someone, and then help another one try to kill them. Hezbollah seeks the complete destruction of Israel in direct violation of the U.N., they intentionally kill civilians and then hide among their own people to guarentee innocent deaths on their side for use as justification (this is defined as a war crime).
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Old 08-13-2006, 01:17 PM   #3
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Neither, the question doesn't even make sense. I never said 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', rather, 'he who aids my enemy, is my enemy'. My point was that it's pointless for an organization to feign friendship with someone, and then help another one try to kill them. Hezbollah seeks the complete destruction of Israel in direct violation of the U.N., they intentionally kill civilians and then hide among their own people to guarentee innocent deaths on their side for use as justification (this is defined as a war crime).
Actually, you were repeating Bush's statement of 'he who attacks my enemy is my friend', which is very similar to 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

I do not support the deliberate targeting of civilians.
I do not support the indiscrimnate bombing of civilians.

I expect insurgents to hide among civilian populations because this is what insurgents do, including insurgents who were our founding fathers and our current allies. If the Revolutionary War had occurred in the 1940's I would not have supported the British using Lancasters to bomb Philadelphia to get at George Washington.

Of course GW himself burned out entire Indian villages to get at 'insurgents'.
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Old 08-13-2006, 01:25 PM   #4
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Read my original post again! #7. For the last time I said 'he who aids my enemy, is my enemy'. How are you turning that into 'he who attacks my enemy is my friend', or 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' over and over again!? Yeesh!
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:11 PM   #5
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For the last time I said 'he who aids my enemy, is my enemy'.
... which is exactly what the British were saying about the principle IRA supporter - America? That concept – no matter how it is rephrased - still remains a simplistic attitude of those who learned only from nursery rhymes. Welcome, instead, to a real world chock full of perspectives.

So if Iran's most despised enemy in 2000 was the Taliban, then Iran was our ally? But again, you remember that history? How then did a nation that could have been a friend instead become a despised enemy? Same question also applies to Vietnam. Simplist logic also got how many Americans killed in that "A Bright Shining Lie:"?

"he who aids my enemy, is my enemy" is for those whose knowledge comes from the Daily News or Rush Limbaugh. The world is far more interesting.

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