Sore Loserman

Griff · 08-10-2006, 07:01 AM

I believe tonight, more than ever, in America's greatness in its values, in its promises of opportunity equality. Together. I am confident that we can find common ground and secure a better future… that and nonpartisanship is what politics should be about. That is exactly the mission I ask you to join me in tonight. Will you join me?

Go away.

elSicomoro · 08-10-2006, 09:12 PM

Maybe the voters have finally had enough. I give Joe a month or so before he decides to drop out for the good of CT and the Democratic Party...blah blah blah.

footfootfoot · 08-10-2006, 10:04 PM

The fucking guy wants to keep all his options open and commit to nothing.

Dude backed a losing horse.

Wants to eat his cake and have it too.

Cry me a fucking river.

Undertoad · 08-10-2006, 10:10 PM

I am a Joe supporter and expect him to win in November. He is nicely ahead in the polls in a unique state in which 40% of the electorate is registered Unaffiliated with any party.

bluecuracao · 08-10-2006, 10:45 PM

Joe apparently wants to stay in the spotlight as much as possible, right up to 2008, of course. I don't think he intends to win this fall, just come out with a decent showing.

elSicomoro · 08-10-2006, 10:58 PM

I don't think he has a chance of becoming president though. I don't think Americans are willing to elect a Jew as president, no matter how much they claim to love Israel and Jews.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-11-2006, 02:11 AM

He'll get a block of vote just because he has tenure and seniority, he'll get another block for the things he's done for the state. It'll be interesting which candidate he hurts more.

elSicomoro · 08-11-2006, 07:01 AM

Many have said that this was a one-issue race. And it was...to a point. From Lamont's website:

I am running for the US Senate because we deserve a Senator who will stand up for Connecticut and stand up for our progressive democratic values. Rather than spending hundreds of millions of dollars a day in Iraq, it is time for America to refocus on issues back home: fixing our health care system, upgrading our schools, and rebuilding our aging infrastructure. We will start winning in Iraq as the Iraqis take control of their own destiny, just as America has to start investing again in our own future.

Sounds to me like the guy has plans beyond Iraq.

Undertoad · 08-11-2006, 07:35 AM

Outside Iraq his foreign policy is smarmy touchy-feely crapola. He hasn't paid attention and it will probably get him in trouble in the next few months, make my words.

But nobody cares about that stuff. The reason this happened was because a series of blogs became really political, incredibly motivated, and simply could not wait to exercise its power. It's a remarkable phenomenon. But it was blood in the water to sharks. And so far, all it has done is tear down a powerful standing senator who was 90% on their side.

And to very seriously hurt the chances that the Ds will take back the Senate. Mickey Kaus:

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So if Lieberman wins as an independent, and the Democrats pick up six seats in November, doesn't that mean Lieberman gets to decide which party controls the Senate? And if so, do the Democrats really want to take Kos' advice and piss him off? Just asking!

The drama is exquisite if this comes to pass. I'm half hoping for it just for the beautiful fireworks display.

I believe you can never get a candidate that you are 100% happy with. The furious "netroots" circle that gave Lamont his base have not matured enough, not seen enough elections to really understand that. They are like babes playing with their new metal toy and they may have to stick it into an electrical outlet to learn if that's a good idea.

glatt · 08-11-2006, 08:03 AM

I'm not a huge fan of Lieberman, but he is more of a moderate. I think this country desperately needs moderates on both sides. This is a step in the wrong direction.

elSicomoro · 08-11-2006, 08:09 AM

Of course he's using talking points, UT...I wouldn't expect anything less. I merely used that to underscore that this is about more than Iraq to him.

While the blogs may have provided a spark, they can only provide so much momentum. Darrell Issa bankrolled the recall in CA, but couldn't win the GOP nomination. You have have fuel for a fire...blogs are tinder or kindling at this point, IMO. And when I look at this election along with Cynthia McKinney being knocked out in Georgia, I get the idea that at least some Democrats are tired of the same ol' bullshit...they want to start fresh. And why not? The current Democrat powers-that-be are only doing well at this point because of GOP gaffes.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-12-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

snip~ But nobody cares about that stuff.

Not even in Ct?

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snip~ The drama is exquisite if this comes to pass. I'm half hoping for it just for the beautiful fireworks display.

I believe you can never get a candidate that you are 100% happy with. The furious "netroots" circle that gave Lamont his base have not matured enough, not seen enough elections to really understand that. They are like babes playing with their new metal toy and they may have to stick it into an electrical outlet to learn if that's a good idea.

I can picture you waving a Cuban Cigar in the caucus room, saying that.

Spexxvet · 08-15-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore

... I get the idea that at least some Democrats are tired of the same ol' bullshit...they want to start fresh. And why not? The current Democrat powers-that-be are only doing well at this point because of GOP gaffes.

I agree, but it's not time to shift to the left. We've had six years of right-wing extremist bullshit. You don't fight that with left-wing extremism - you fight it with moderation. Liberals are going to vote Democrat, conseratives, repubican. The key will be getting moderates to vote Democrat. I think moderates are typically more conservative on spending, more liberal on social issues. Have you ever heard of someone who supports spending but is against spending it on social issues? Democrats also need to show potential voters that they are tough on defense, and that's what Leiberman did. I was against the invasion of Iraq, and would like to see us out of there, but there has to be a good plan in place, first. If I were the Democrats, I would make a platform that is more moderate, like Leiberman.

Happy Monkey · 08-15-2006, 12:18 PM

There's no left-wing extremist in that race.

Spexxvet · 08-15-2006, 12:23 PM

I was speaking in general terms, but Leiberman appears to be more moderate than LaMont.

08-10-2006, 07:01 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Sore Loserman I believe tonight, more than ever, in America's greatness in its values, in its promises of opportunity equality. Together. I am confident that we can find common ground and secure a better future… that and nonpartisanship is what politics should be about. That is exactly the mission I ask you to join me in tonight. Will you join me? Go away. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-10-2006, 10:04 PM	#3
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	The fucking guy wants to keep all his options open and commit to nothing. Dude backed a losing horse. Wants to eat his cake and have it too. Cry me a fucking river. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

08-11-2006, 02:11 AM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	He'll get a block of vote just because he has tenure and seniority, he'll get another block for the things he's done for the state. It'll be interesting which candidate he hurts more. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-15-2006, 12:18 PM	#14
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There's no left-wing extremist in that race. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-15-2006, 12:23 PM	#15
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	I was speaking in general terms, but Leiberman appears to be more moderate than LaMont. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-10-2006, 09:12 PM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Maybe the voters have finally had enough. I give Joe a month or so before he decides to drop out for the good of CT and the Democratic Party...blah blah blah.

08-10-2006, 10:10 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I am a Joe supporter and expect him to win in November. He is nicely ahead in the polls in a unique state in which 40% of the electorate is registered Unaffiliated with any party.

08-10-2006, 10:45 PM	#5
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Joe apparently wants to stay in the spotlight as much as possible, right up to 2008, of course. I don't think he intends to win this fall, just come out with a decent showing.

08-10-2006, 10:58 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I don't think he has a chance of becoming president though. I don't think Americans are willing to elect a Jew as president, no matter how much they claim to love Israel and Jews.

08-11-2006, 07:01 AM	#8
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Many have said that this was a one-issue race. And it was...to a point. From Lamont's website: I am running for the US Senate because we deserve a Senator who will stand up for Connecticut and stand up for our progressive democratic values. Rather than spending hundreds of millions of dollars a day in Iraq, it is time for America to refocus on issues back home: fixing our health care system, upgrading our schools, and rebuilding our aging infrastructure. We will start winning in Iraq as the Iraqis take control of their own destiny, just as America has to start investing again in our own future. Sounds to me like the guy has plans beyond Iraq.

08-11-2006, 08:03 AM	#10
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm not a huge fan of Lieberman, but he is more of a moderate. I think this country desperately needs moderates on both sides. This is a step in the wrong direction.

08-11-2006, 08:09 AM	#11
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Of course he's using talking points, UT...I wouldn't expect anything less. I merely used that to underscore that this is about more than Iraq to him. While the blogs may have provided a spark, they can only provide so much momentum. Darrell Issa bankrolled the recall in CA, but couldn't win the GOP nomination. You have have fuel for a fire...blogs are tinder or kindling at this point, IMO. And when I look at this election along with Cynthia McKinney being knocked out in Georgia, I get the idea that at least some Democrats are tired of the same ol' bullshit...they want to start fresh. And why not? The current Democrat powers-that-be are only doing well at this point because of GOP gaffes.

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