Congress Wasting Time & Money

That is a good point... my perspective is colored by the responses and votes I get from my reps on that topic as well as the fact that there is a vote right next to it meant to remove as much viability from it as possible by the opposition. Again, "how much can we ensure that as many people as possible suffer and do not benefit from this breakthrough".

[9th Engineer]

I'm going to play devils advocate on this one and prepose that they aren't screaming at science as much as being firmly entrenched in the idea that this is going to get way out of control once you officially allow it. The biggest part of the process that raises peoples blood pressure is the cloning of humans. It does boil down to that at some level even though the idea of embryos-as-humans has been screamed at by abortionists for the last few decades.

[tw]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

The biggest part of the process that raises peoples blood pressure is the cloning of humans. It does boil down to that at some level even though the idea of embryos-as-humans has been screamed at by abortionists for the last few decades.

IOW emotion - not facts - are only important.

Just had a discussion with a religious extremist. I asked if a gunman was standing right here and shooting 30 people across the parking lot, then what would he do. He said he would pray for the gunman. That prayer hopefully would stop the gunman. I told him he so hated those 30 people as to let them die. If so, it was god's will.

I would physically attack the gunman. He then said that was wrong because I might die. I asked him why he though prayer would do anything. He said that prayer might stop the gunman from shooting the rest of those 30 people.

These are same people opposed to science and research. No wonder Hitler could also brain wash these people into hating races inferior to Aryans. He would pray to god to stop the gunman. He also said evolution could not exist because he just knew. Also called brainwashing. No wonder the Federal Judge found that religious extremists would take an oath on the bible and still outright lie in open court - in violation of the Ten Commandments. And they would still call themselves good religious people? Yes, he even endorsed torture in Guantanamo and saw no relation to the Spanish Inquisition.

Remember these people vote because most centrists do not. These are the people who will even reelect Rick Santorum. History suggest that most member of The Cellar will not vote – therefore approve of leaders who should pray rather than stop the gunman.

[9th Engineer]

wow, ummmm. what the heck are you talking about?

btw, most people do let emotion rule certain decisions. It would make logical sense in many ways to clone and genetically modify humans so-as to improve ourselves. However, for many people this undermines our basic worth. They don't want to see people viewed as just a strand of DNA.

[fargon]

Originally Posted by tw

IOW emotion - not facts - are only important.

Just had a discussion with a religious extremist. I asked if a gunman was standing right here and shooting 30 people across the parking lot, then what would he do. He said he would pray for the gunman. That prayer hopefully would stop the gunman. I told him he so hated those 30 people as to let them die. If so, it was god's will.

I would physically attack the gunman. He then said that was wrong because I might die. I asked him why he though prayer would do anything. He said that prayer might stop the gunman from shooting the rest of those 30 people.

These are same people opposed to science and research. No wonder Hitler could also brain wash these people into hating races inferior to Aryans. He would pray to god to stop the gunman. He also said evolution could not exist because he just knew. Also called brainwashing. No wonder the Federal Judge found that religious extremists would take an oath on the bible and still outright lie in open court - in violation of the Ten Commandments. And they would still call themselves good religious people? Yes, he even endorsed torture in Guantanamo and saw no relation to the Spanish Inquisition.

Remember these people vote because most centrists do not. These are the people who will even reelect Rick Santorum. History suggest that most member of The Cellar will not vote – therefore approve of leaders who should pray rather than stop the gunman.

I am a religious right winger , and I would shoot the gunman and then pray for him. Saving the lives of others is most important thing you can do.