area flooding - Page 5

Kitsune · 07-05-2006, 02:50 PM

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However, by Friday or Saturday, several computer models are indicating the possibility that the center will move back over the water east of Florida or Georgia, and a tropical cyclone will develop. Any storm that does develop is likely to get whisked quickly northwards or northeastwards by a strong trough of low pressure expected to move off the East Coast this weekend. People planning on spending the weekend on the Outer Banks of North Carolina should keep a careful eye on this system--the situtation is very similar to what we had at the end of June, when we almost had Tropical Storm Beryl hitting eastern North Carolina.

Griff · 07-05-2006, 06:31 PM

Groovy, Broome County only lost 800 homes in the last one...

Pie · 07-05-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

the good news is that i am personally responsible for interviewing any folks wanting to move to flood free phoenix due to recent events.

Naw. You guys just get fires...

lookout123 · 07-05-2006, 10:31 PM

easily solved by keeping ridiculous amounts of vegetation away from your property.

tw · 07-05-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Any idea where we can find historical river level data on-line?

Found flood stage charts for upriver. The triangles are what are average water flows. After what appears to be a large 1st of June rain, the rivers were just slightly above average - suggesting no ground water saturation at least one week before. Another source (that I cannot find) reports average cubic feet per second for Jun to be about 1300 for Jun which puts water before the rains at average.

Again, the point is that this flooding should not have been as bad as the news wanted it to be. And where flooding was a problem, those areas better get cracking at opening up the flood plain - moving people like Clinton did for Grafton IL.

wolf · 07-06-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

the good news is that i am personally responsible for interviewing any folks wanting to move to flood free phoenix due to recent events. all cellarites will receive priority clearance.

You still have over 100 degree days, right?

I'll take my chances with the water.

lookout123 · 07-06-2006, 01:21 AM

but it's a dry heat...

i played 90 minutes of soccer outside tonight. i couldn't do that in illinois humidity when it was 90.

BigV · 07-06-2006, 10:18 AM

A "dry heat", a light heat, a dark heat...

I was on the phone with tech support once, the lady was based in Phoenix, and I complained that it was freakin' 90 plus degrees outside (the gates of hell for my Seattle body thermostat). She chuckled and said "Honey, it hasn't been under 100 degrees for 30 DAYS". I quit complaining and crossed Arizona off my lifetime must-see list. No thanks.

Griff · 07-06-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Found flood stage charts for upriver. The triangles are what are average water flows. After what appears to be a large 1st of June rain, the rivers were just slightly above average - suggesting no ground water saturation at least one week before. Another source (that I cannot find) reports average cubic feet per second for Jun to be about 1300 for Jun which puts water before the rains at average.

Again, the point is that this flooding should not have been as bad as the news wanted it to be. And where flooding was a problem, those areas better get cracking at opening up the flood plain - moving people like Clinton did for Grafton IL.

Bruce sent me a bunch of these charts, very interesting stuff. What I was thinking of though would be water levels from 1935 and 1972 but I'm guessing the record is fragmented.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-06-2006, 06:39 PM

Water resources

New York State....hover over the dots (all colors) to find out where it is.

For the Chenango River at Greene, this station has only stream height (water level) but check the "Available data for this site" menu for historical data and other information.

For the Susquehanna River at Conklin, there is stream height and discharge as well as "Available Data" menu.

Don't forget the Susquehanna starts in NY state, swings through northeast PA, back into NY, then south the full height of PA into MD. So, you'll have to check the PA map also to see where the bulk of the water entered the Susquehanna before in got to Binghamton.
The Chenango dumps into the Susquehanna in Binghamton so the NY map would show some of the large feeder streams of the Chenango.

Have fun.

Griff · 07-07-2006, 06:12 AM

[whine]but I have work to do[/whine]

xoxoxoBruce · 07-07-2006, 11:05 PM

That's why I would never give you an order...only opportunity.

07-08-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

O. M. G. it is soooo freakin' hot and humid here in the Miami Valley that you can't even go outside unless you are right next to the pool. It's misreable! This weather forces a person indoors. It's just too hot.

You ain't lyin', here inland it is nasty with no sea breeze.

Griff · 07-09-2006, 09:25 AM

This mornings paper has the so-called flood plains mapped. People are asking the right questions, a new map is needed. An example is Lourdes Hospital which was supposed to be on the high end of the 500 year flood plain and was inundated. Lots of homes on morgages were above the known flood plain and were not required to have flood insurance. Bottom line, everyone was working with bad information.

richlevy · 07-09-2006, 10:26 AM

All I can say for sure is that the elevation listed on Google for my house is between 180 and 190 feet above sea level. The bottom of my street is about 160 feet. There is almost 0 percent chance of any amount of standing water flooding my house.

There is, however, an issue with runoff and drainage. When they built my development, they were pretty careful with landscaping design. Unfortunately, they began building above me and I got a lesson in design when they didn't put up a silt fence before they started and a severe rain took off the few inches of the already thin topsoil off of the hill in my backyard.

The runoff is designed to run away from my house and in the alley between my house and my neighbors to the street. The winter before last, due to a design flaw, it pooled near my back steps and caused problems. The builder had to excavate and redesign the terrain to build up the embankment between the alley and my house.

That being said, everything is good now and I sit well above sea level, away or above any creeks which can flood, tucked in a slight valley to discourage tornadoes and hurricanes, and in one of the more geographically dead states on the east coast.

Except for the fact that I am not too far from chemical plants, I have a pretty safe environment. The biggest disaster I have to worry about is my homeowners association.

07-05-2006, 06:31 PM	#62
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07-05-2006, 10:31 PM	#64
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	easily solved by keeping ridiculous amounts of vegetation away from your property. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-06-2006, 01:21 AM	#67
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	but it's a dry heat... i played 90 minutes of soccer outside tonight. i couldn't do that in illinois humidity when it was 90. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-06-2006, 10:18 AM	#68
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	A "dry heat", a light heat, a dark heat... I was on the phone with tech support once, the lady was based in Phoenix, and I complained that it was freakin' 90 plus degrees outside (the gates of hell for my Seattle body thermostat). She chuckled and said "Honey, it hasn't been under 100 degrees for 30 DAYS". I quit complaining and crossed Arizona off my lifetime must-see list. No thanks. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

07-06-2006, 06:39 PM	#70
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Water resources New York State....hover over the dots (all colors) to find out where it is. For the Chenango River at Greene, this station has only stream height (water level) but check the "Available data for this site" menu for historical data and other information. For the Susquehanna River at Conklin, there is stream height and discharge as well as "Available Data" menu. Don't forget the Susquehanna starts in NY state, swings through northeast PA, back into NY, then south the full height of PA into MD. So, you'll have to check the PA map also to see where the bulk of the water entered the Susquehanna before in got to Binghamton. The Chenango dumps into the Susquehanna in Binghamton so the NY map would show some of the large feeder streams of the Chenango. Have fun. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-07-2006, 06:12 AM	#71
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	[whine]but I have work to do[/whine] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-07-2006, 11:05 PM	#72
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's why I would never give you an order...only opportunity. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-09-2006, 09:25 AM	#74
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	This mornings paper has the so-called flood plains mapped. People are asking the right questions, a new map is needed. An example is Lourdes Hospital which was supposed to be on the high end of the 500 year flood plain and was inundated. Lots of homes on morgages were above the known flood plain and were not required to have flood insurance. Bottom line, everyone was working with bad information. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

07-09-2006, 10:26 AM	#75
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	All I can say for sure is that the elevation listed on Google for my house is between 180 and 190 feet above sea level. The bottom of my street is about 160 feet. There is almost 0 percent chance of any amount of standing water flooding my house. There is, however, an issue with runoff and drainage. When they built my development, they were pretty careful with landscaping design. Unfortunately, they began building above me and I got a lesson in design when they didn't put up a silt fence before they started and a severe rain took off the few inches of the already thin topsoil off of the hill in my backyard. The runoff is designed to run away from my house and in the alley between my house and my neighbors to the street. The winter before last, due to a design flaw, it pooled near my back steps and caused problems. The builder had to excavate and redesign the terrain to build up the embankment between the alley and my house. That being said, everything is good now and I sit well above sea level, away or above any creeks which can flood, tucked in a slight valley to discourage tornadoes and hurricanes, and in one of the more geographically dead states on the east coast. Except for the fact that I am not too far from chemical plants, I have a pretty safe environment. The biggest disaster I have to worry about is my homeowners association. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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