Crackdown on Science!

Flint · 06-02-2006, 08:08 AM

...Sort of...Well we just ran out of high-tech worker visas for 2007. Yes, 2007, the year that hasn't even started yet. That'll boost the ol' economy, huh?

...No problem, though, we have plenty of nice Americans who need jobs. Nevermind that they were trained at religious colleges that don't acknowledge evolution :::snicker::

...I'm sure that hasn't impacted their critical thinking skills. After all, how could they do good science without God on their side to cast the secular/pagans into fiery pits of torment?

...I have to laugh at the disasterous direction we are heading in as a society. Yes, I'm rambling. So sue me. I have to laugh because, what else can I do? Vote? I got that covered: I only vote third party. Any third party.

...But say what you will about the Bush Administration, they are only a symptom of the times. Bush is the perfect President for this nation of lazy bufoons, we deserve him.

Pangloss62 · 06-02-2006, 08:52 AM

Indeed. All one needs to do is get sick, stay home from work, and make the mistake of watching some daytime TV, and then get REALLY sick when you see what constitutes American "culture."

I too blame the hoi polloi, but that last election may not have been as much about "values voters" as the press made out. Listen, I'm not big on conspiracies, but after reading the below Rolling Stone article, I had to wonder.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...lection_stolen

Kitsune · 06-02-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

...No problem, though, we have plenty of nice Americans who need jobs.

Nonsense. Tech companies will do what they've done every year that work visas have run out: they'll outsource the jobs overseas.

Flint · 06-02-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Nonsense.

:::gasp::: I thought that was only jobs "Americans don't want" !!!

Kitsune · 06-02-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

:::gasp::: I thought that was only jobs "Americans don't want" !!!

Heh. Well, if you like working a job that usually fetches $40,000 but only get paid $5,000, you'd probably not want it.

9th Engineer · 06-02-2006, 09:54 AM

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No problem, though, we have plenty of nice Americans who need jobs

Right, nice Americans who all have liberal arts degrees. Good for producing the 235,626,737,827,305,0173th dissertation on Chauser, but absolutly no help to tech companies.

MrVisible · 06-02-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Right, nice Americans who all have liberal arts degrees. Good for producing the 235,626,737,827,305,0173th dissertation on Chauser, but absolutly no help to tech companies.

Er... actually, it's spelled Chaucer.

What's worse, being a liberal arts major practicing your enunciation skills on "Ya want fries with that?" or being an engineering major watching the H1B visa folks and the constant flow of jobs being internationally outsourced until entry-level tech jobs are as rewarding as working a fry-o-lator, pay less, and are much harder to find?

Blaming people for not being engineers seems kind of strange to me. The reality of the situation is that foreign-educated engineers come with lower pricetags due to lower cost of education in their countries. We can't compete with them. Why would we want to try?

Kitsune · 06-02-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVisible

Blaming people for not being engineers seems kind of strange to me. The reality of the situation is that foreign-educated engineers come with lower pricetags due to lower cost of education in their countries. We can't compete with them. Why would we want to try?

No one wants to be an engineer, anymore. The big one avoided right now may not ever recover from its tarnished reputation. Really, why would anyone even think of stepping into a major like computer science after what has happened in the previous years? 9 out of 10 developers that work for the company I do have been offshored. I know I wouldn't return to the major I originally started in because of what I've seen.

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"People are loath to do computer science because they think, Well, gosh, my job will just get outsourced," says Kevin W. Decker, president of the computer-science club at Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis. Mr. Decker is a junior majoring in computer science. The number of students pursuing bachelor's degrees in computer science at the university has dropped to 146, from 161 a year ago.

It doesn't help when the media pulls crap like this, either:

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In fact, about half of what China calls “engineers” would be called “technicians” at best in the United States, with the equivalent of a vocational certificate or an associate degree. In addition, the McKinsey study of nine occupations, including engineering, concluded that “fewer than 10 percent of Chinese job candidates, on average, would be suitable for work (in a multinational company) in the nine occupations we studied.”

Flint · 06-02-2006, 10:28 AM

Citizen 9th Engineer: you have been found guilty of hating freedom.

06-02-2006, 08:08 AM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Crackdown on Science! ...Sort of...Well we just ran out of high-tech worker visas for 2007. Yes, 2007, the year that hasn't even started yet. That'll boost the ol' economy, huh? ...No problem, though, we have plenty of nice Americans who need jobs. Nevermind that they were trained at religious colleges that don't acknowledge evolution :::snicker:: ...I'm sure that hasn't impacted their critical thinking skills. After all, how could they do good science without God on their side to cast the secular/pagans into fiery pits of torment? ...I have to laugh at the disasterous direction we are heading in as a society. Yes, I'm rambling. So sue me. I have to laugh because, what else can I do? Vote? I got that covered: I only vote third party. Any third party. ...But say what you will about the Bush Administration, they are only a symptom of the times. Bush is the perfect President for this nation of lazy bufoons, we deserve him. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-02-2006, 08:52 AM	#2
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Hoisted by Our Own Petards (or not?) Indeed. All one needs to do is get sick, stay home from work, and make the mistake of watching some daytime TV, and then get REALLY sick when you see what constitutes American "culture." I too blame the hoi polloi, but that last election may not have been as much about "values voters" as the press made out. Listen, I'm not big on conspiracies, but after reading the below Rolling Stone article, I had to wonder. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...lection_stolen __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

06-02-2006, 10:28 AM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Citizen 9th Engineer: you have been found guilty of hating freedom. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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