SMILIES pro versus con

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by Flint

The format of pure text . . .

Originally Posted by Flint

Given that we have the ability to format text in order to emphasize words approximately the way they would be spoken

So what you're saying is that if one can't express what one intends in "plain" text then it's OK to change the text in certain ways, but not to actually add something to the text. For that matter, where does punctuation fit in? Don't we use punctuation all the time to give clues to the readers about what we intend, clues that we presume would be present aurally and in body language if we were speaking the same words? What's the difference between using "!" to indicate a sense of shock and using ?

You're also assuming that people will pick up the cues from spoken words. It doesn't always happen. Some people can't figure out what's going on if you hit them over the head with a 2x4, much less a smilie.

Originally Posted by Flint

people would be better served by the use of proper English sentences

I'll agree with this. Because you're writing something in an informal context on the Internet is no reason to get all loopy with your spelling and your grammar. Having said that, I gave up being a grammar nazi a long time ago because life's just too short. (I do occasionally point something out if it results in some kind of double entendre that amuses me.)

Originally Posted by Flint

That degrades us all, as human beings.

You're being hyperbolic I hope. I personally use the smilies for entertainment value. Although sometimes in the wrong hands they can devolve into stupidity, I can't make a case for "degrading." If it's that bad for you I can't see how you can stand to continue reading The Cellar. (Unless, that is, you're just into degradation. In which case, have fun. )

[Flint]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

For that matter, where does punctuation fit in?

Punctuation is a part of the English language.

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

I can't make a case for "degrading."

My point was regarding an atrophy of the ability to express genuine emotion through the written word, due to the quick fix of a cheap substitute. This would be a negative trend for humanity. (We are already sending top executives back to basic grammar classes, because they can't compose an e-mail without using chat-speak.)

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

If it's that bad for you I can't see how you can stand to continue reading The Cellar.

Who said anything was "bad" for me? Why do we have to slap value judgments on everything?

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Flint

Why do we have to slap value judgments on everything?

Coz deep down, we all want to be 'right'?

Originally Posted by Flint

Who said anything was "bad" for me? Why do we have to slap value judgments on everything?

Ahem.

You did. Yes, YOU! - There in the last row, smirking with your gang banger wanna be buddies. And I quote:

I favor the Con position, that is, people would be better served by the use of proper English sentences than by pre-packaged imitations of human emotion. Do poets not express emotion through words?

Regarding the tendency of people to mask their true emotions, or purposefully express false emotions, this will occur both in real life and on the Internet, however, it shouldn't’t be as easy as clicking a fake emotion-button. That degrades us all, as human beings.

Saying that something "degrades us all as human beings" is making a value judgment and a negative one, at that - unless you consider it a good thing for human beings to degrade themselves.

This is not a poetry forum. It is a message board. At times, people have posted creative works or essays here. I have done so myself, and our esteemed tw is a master of the political essay.

But most of what goes on here is a form of communication between posters. We are not writing works of literature or even technical reports. We are responding to the comments others have made.

In normal human communication, a great deal of what goes on is non verbal. I have never liked talking about serious matters on the telephone, for example, because I want to look the other person in the eye. see what their body posture is, etc.

But even on the telephone, one can hear much just from the person's tone of voice. Is it hesitant. teasing, a whisper, or a scream?

Many message boards or chat groups consider posting in all caps to be the equivalent of yelling at someone. It is a small step from posting in all caps to adding an angry emoticon at the end of your message.

I might equally argue that posting in bold or colored print is a cheap way out and that a good writer should be able to make herself understood without resorting to such subterfuge.

Still, as you have implied earlier, a writer must gear his writing to his audience. If the audience consists of a bunch of high school drop outs with the attention span of a fly, an eloquently worded e-mail in the style of Tolstoy will have little impact on them.

On a message board, the participants are taking part in the new art of written conversation. We can't hear the nuance of the words, and our readers are similarly at loss to hear the inflection in which we respond, thus the emoticon.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

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You're also assuming that people will pick up the cues from spoken words. It doesn't always happen. Some people can't figure out what's going on if you hit them over the head with a 2x4, much less a smilie.

I think I am the perfect example of why emoticons should be used. I obviously don't have enough aject...in my .....ive.