The CPUSA Should Be Proud Of Him

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Well, fall from the chair and bruise your butt, Mari. This strikes me as sufficient proof that tw only believes Communist sources when it comes to history: third page of "A Laundry List of Democratic Screwups." It would be sufficient even if I liked the man. This is not a man who would keep a Republic.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=9974&page=3

That's IT? I haven't fallen out of my chair and I'm STILL waiting for your proof. *taps her pretty little foot impatiently and pouts*

Did you mean THIS post?

Well that pretty much describes Urbane Guerilla's politics. He just endorsed Castro's Cuba, the American puppet government in S Vietnam, Poppa Doc and Baby Doc in Haiti, the military junta in Argentina, Pinochet in Chile, the various uprisings in Central America in mythical promotions of a democracy that simply massacred many innocent people, Charles Taylor in Central Africa, and ... UG loves dictatorships that pretend to be governments of the people - and then arbitrarily massacre the opposition. Scary is what Urbane Guerilla defines as a democracy. No wonder he must remind us in previous posts that he is intelligent. We might forget.

Accusing you of endorsing Castro's Cuba is COMMUNIST? Being against the military junta in Argentina is COMMUNIST? Get REAL!

You seem to define "Communist" as anyone who does not agree with YOU, UG! By your definition, anyone to the left of a neocon is a commie.

Let's take a little look at Allende and what the US did in Chile, which up until the CIA backed coup which installed Pinochet and his death squads, had been the oldest continuous democracy in Latin America.

In 1818, combined Argentinian and Chilean forces under Jose de San Martin and Bernardo O'Higgins, who crossed the Andes from Argentina, managed to defeat and drive out the Spanish army and restore Chile's independence from Spain. O'Higgins became Chile's first president.

* IMPORTANT NEWS FLASH TO UG - THE CHILEAN PEOPLE DID THIS WITHOUT US INTERVENTION!

With the centralistic constitution of 1833, fashioned largely by Diego Portales on Chile's particular needs, a foundation was laid for the gradual emergence of parliamentary government and a long period of stability.

Until the US came along.

Salvadore Allende was elected by a vote of the Chilean people in a FREE election. It doesn't matter if he was elected by a plurality. If the Chilean people didn't like the fact that their president could be elected by a plurality, it was up to THEM to reform the rules of their constitution - NOT a foreign nation!

Since you are such a rabid fan of democracy, I am sure you are familiar with the writings of Thomas Paine. From The Rights of Man:

To possess ourselves of a clear idea of what government is, or ought
to be, we must trace it to its origin. In doing this we shall easily
discover that governments must have arisen either out of the people
or over the people.

In Chile, a government which had arisen out of the people was replaced with one OVER the people - thank you very much, The United States of America.

Again, from The Rights of Man (emphasis my own):

It is evident, that the greatest forces that can
be brought into the field of revolutions, are reason and common
interest. Where these can have the opportunity of acting, opposition
dies with fear, or crumbles away by conviction. It is a great
standing which they have now universally obtained; and we may
hereafter hope to see revolutions, or changes in governments,
produced with the same quiet operation by which any measure,
determinable by reason and discussion, is accomplished.

When a nation changes its opinion and habits of thinking, it is no
longer to be governed as before; but it would not only be wrong, but
bad policy, to attempt by force what ought to be accomplished by
reason. Rebellion consists in forcibly opposing the general will of a
nation, whether by a party or by a government.

I would now like to draw you attention to two most interesting documents from the United States National Archives.

The first deals with the CIA's involvement in Allende's over throw and the second is about US embarassment over human rights abuses and the reign of terror under Pinochet.

Ahem.

And ask yourself why a man would only believe communist sources -- is he a communist, or merely remarkably naive? Are not his errors always to the benefit of the socialist totalitarian Left? And is that itself not the way of the pravda-brained communist?

Please see above sources. The history of Chile which can be found in any Latin Americans studies or numerous sources on the Internet? Thomas Paine? The United States National Archives? Just what the hell isn't a communist source, except for the workings of Urbane Guerilla's fevered brain?

I do not expect you to answer any of these questions honestly, Mari, for your ego is more important to you than truth; I've taken your measure, and am aware of the dishonesty I am to expect from you -- for instance, earlier in this thread, even with the gauzy guise of "Posted by Urbane Godzilla." Not something I'd stoop to, you may be sure.

No fucking comment, Urbane Godzilla!

Sending you love from Moscow (Idaho),
Mari