The Vote: 90 to 9

BigV · 11-21-2005, 10:46 AM

Hey, Urbane Guerrilla:

What do you say about the case of the founder of the legendary gang, The Crips, Stanley "Tookie" Williams?

Here we have a case were the authorities have custody of Willams. He is their prisoner, but has not debriefed officials. He has stated he has no interest in becoming a "snitch". Williams has admitted "terrorizing" Americans in southern California. His scheduled execution date is 13 Dec 2005.

Are you in favor of clemency so that he can be subject to "enhanced interrogation techniques" in order to extract "intel as vital as oxygen"? Or would you favor execution, thereby condemning more Americans to suffer, perhaps to die, unecessarily, in the absence of the vital intel?

Quote:

"Williams' refusal to debrief, and his characterization of the debriefing process as 'snitching' clearly shows that Williams has not turned his back on the Crips gang, a gang he co-founded," said the document signed by District Attorney Steve Cooley.

"Although Stanley Williams is not directly responsible for every gang crime committed today, he was an integral founding member of a gang that has contributed, and continues to contribute, to the gang problem with devastating force."

Fry him or fold him? Hang him or hurt him? Drown him or drown him just a little?

tw · 11-21-2005, 05:57 PM

We sometimes forget the fruits of torture. For example, remember the Aug 2004 hype associated with an attack on Citigroup & NYSE in NYC, IMF and World Bank in Washington DC, and Prudential in Newark NJ? What happened to that attack? What happened to all those orange level warnings? Aug 2005: Mass Transit. July 2004 Heavy truck bomb. 20 May 2003 nonspecific. 17 Mar 2003 suspicious activity in and around military facilities, ports, waterways, bridges, dams, power generating facilities. Classic of what happens when we use torture. Repeated orange level warnings were bogus.

Meanwhile the Radisson Hotel in Amman Jordan was attacked. Why? It was predictable. The previous attack was quashed by Clinton when Clinton read his PDBs. As a result, custom agent Diana Dean on the WA / BC border caught Ahmed Ressam carrying a bomb for LAX - a Millienium celebration attack. And without torture, that collar lead to another possible attack on Montreal, an operative in Pakistan, a possible attack on the Times Square New Years Celebration (from Brooklyn), another operative near LAX, assault on some Christian tourist sites, another operative working as a cab driver in Boston, and the definitive attack on the Radisson in Amman. The King of Jordan said "They weren't planning terrorism, they were planning a revolution" when he described the amount of explosives found in that upper middle class home.

The only attack not thwarted - by not using torture and by a President reading his PDB - was the attack on the USS The Sullivans. That attack failed when the boat was overloaded with explosives - and sunk.

A different group attacked the Radisson last week. But you know it was coming. When one completely independent terrorist group fails, another will then target the same location. True of the Radisson, of the WTC, and of US destroyers in Yemen ports. This thwarting of terrorism by people who learn not by torture - and therefore obtain useful answers.

11-21-2005, 05:57 PM	#2
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	We sometimes forget the fruits of torture. For example, remember the Aug 2004 hype associated with an attack on Citigroup & NYSE in NYC, IMF and World Bank in Washington DC, and Prudential in Newark NJ? What happened to that attack? What happened to all those orange level warnings? Aug 2005: Mass Transit. July 2004 Heavy truck bomb. 20 May 2003 nonspecific. 17 Mar 2003 suspicious activity in and around military facilities, ports, waterways, bridges, dams, power generating facilities. Classic of what happens when we use torture. Repeated orange level warnings were bogus. Meanwhile the Radisson Hotel in Amman Jordan was attacked. Why? It was predictable. The previous attack was quashed by Clinton when Clinton read his PDBs. As a result, custom agent Diana Dean on the WA / BC border caught Ahmed Ressam carrying a bomb for LAX - a Millienium celebration attack. And without torture, that collar lead to another possible attack on Montreal, an operative in Pakistan, a possible attack on the Times Square New Years Celebration (from Brooklyn), another operative near LAX, assault on some Christian tourist sites, another operative working as a cab driver in Boston, and the definitive attack on the Radisson in Amman. The King of Jordan said "They weren't planning terrorism, they were planning a revolution" when he described the amount of explosives found in that upper middle class home. The only attack not thwarted - by not using torture and by a President reading his PDB - was the attack on the USS The Sullivans. That attack failed when the boat was overloaded with explosives - and sunk. A different group attacked the Radisson last week. But you know it was coming. When one completely independent terrorist group fails, another will then target the same location. True of the Radisson, of the WTC, and of US destroyers in Yemen ports. This thwarting of terrorism by people who learn not by torture - and therefore obtain useful answers. Last edited by tw; 11-21-2005 at 11:59 PM.

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