More Intelligent Design

[OnyxCougar]

these are the same people who think that birth control is bad, that missionary position is the only "acceptable way" to have sex, and that if you enjoy sex, you're sinning. Oh yeah, and you can buy your way to heaven.

Yeah, like I'm going to listen to them.

Genesis is not meant to be a scientific treatise.

A clear reading of the hebrew text gives clear, unambiguous understanding of what the book is saying. The book says HaShem (God) made the universe, sun, moon, stars, earth, all plants, animals and men and women, in six literal, 24 hour days. (It says "yom" and "yom" preceded by a number always, with no exeptions, means a 24 hour day)

From timelines in the bible that can be historically validated outside of the book itself, this happened about 6,000 years ago.

That is what the book says. I don't care what the ID people think or the Catholics think, or anyone else thinks. That is what the book says. Learn the Hebrew and read it. You'll find out that that is what the book says. You'll notice Jews don't have a problem with all this ID/evolution crap because most of the can read Hebrew and read the text for themselves. The book says days. The book says that HaShem breathed life into the man.

Now whether you believe that or not is your opinion. But the fact remains that the book says what it says. It does NOT say that God created the universe over "billions of years" or "periods of time" ago, and that he let events happen making minor adjustments here and there until man evolved from a primordial soup.

And MY opinion is that if you read the book of Genesis (within which there are NOT allegories or parables) literally (as it was intended), it is perfectly clear what the book is saying.

Again, your agreement with the book itself is strictly a matter of opinion. But the book says what it says, I don't care how Cardinal whats his nuts wants to capitulate and compromise to make the Catholics feel more "hip" and "with it". Because that's all he's doing. The whole ID movement is compromising as well. I'll say it again. Either you believe the Genesis account, or you believe in evolution. There is no middle ground, because the text of the book allows no middle ground. It's just not there. I'm sorry, ID people. Read the freaking book.

And as a side note, people like the ID people and this Cardinal do more to hurt Christians than help them. I lump them in the same category as Bush and Robertson. I am proud to say I'm not a Christian like they are a Christian. IMO, they aren't Christian at all.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

You'll notice Jews don't have a problem with all this ID/evolution crap because most of the can read Hebrew and read the text for themselves.

Actually I've noticed a dearth of opinions on creationism from the jews.

Why don't you cite something for us since you seem to be so tuned in on the issue?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Actually I've noticed a dearth of opinions on creationism from the jews.

Why don't you cite something for us since you seem to be so tuned in on the issue?

Since you have "noticed a dearth of opinions on creationism from the Jews", why don't YOU cite it?

[Troubleshooter]

It's kind of hard to quantify a negative don't you think?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

It's kind of hard to quantify a negative don't you think?

I thought "dearth" in context meant "wealth" or "great deal of", and as HM pointed out, I should look up dearth. I did. It means "lack of".

I apologize.

However, I am now confused. I said "You'll notice Jews don't have a problem with all this ID/evolution crap because most of the can read Hebrew and read the text for themselves." and you agree with me in your reply, saying there is a lack of opinion, then request a cite from me saying they don't have a problem with it.

How am I supposed to cite what you've agreed is lack of opinion?

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I thought "dearth" in context meant "wealth" or "great deal of", and as HM pointed out, I should look up dearth. I did. It means "lack of".

I apologize.

No problem.

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

However, I am now confused. I said "You'll notice Jews don't have a problem with all this ID/evolution crap because most of the can read Hebrew and read the text for themselves." and you agree with me in your reply, saying there is a lack of opinion, then request a cite from me saying they don't have a problem with it.

How am I supposed to cite what you've agreed is lack of opinion?

Isn't there, somewhere out there, an article or something citing where jews fall on this issue?

And more to the point, is there anyone other than evangelical xtians pushing the ID agenda?

[dar512]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

And more to the point, is there anyone other than evangelical xtians pushing the ID agenda?

One datum:

My kids go to Catholic school here in the Chicago suburbs. I help the kids prepare for most of their tests so I can tell you:

1) They have covered the big bang theory in science.
2) They have learned about plant and animal adaptations.
3) Their teachers use the term evolution in class and they have been taught what it is.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Since you have "noticed a dearth of opinions on creationism from the Jews", why don't YOU cite it?

Did you do a quick check on what "dearth" means?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

these are the same people who think that birth control is bad, that missionary position is the only "acceptable way" to have sex, and that if you enjoy sex, you're sinning.

I guess if God created a finished man and woman instead of kids, he wasn't big on paediaphilia either.