University Students SUCK

[NovemberRain]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I can’t sit by and hope somebody will do something or say that’s too bad, glad it ain’t me.

You're a better Christian than many of the ones I know, Bruce. My family's standard response whenever I'm in trouble is "don't they have charity hospitals where you live?" and "I'll pray for you". Can you guess why I speak to the bastards maybe once in a blue moon?

Transfer to Antioch if you can, Brianna, you'll get a better education and be surrounded by people who have actually have two thoughts in their brains that they can rub together!

Yes, once upon a time, a community would take care of its own, but in the the big impersonal cities, it didn't happen even back then and it sure won't happen now. In Colorado, anyone with half a brain to look around them could see that the elderly and handicapped are getting no help. The evening news on TV regularly features some tragic story of old people and disabled people going without food or having no place to live thanks to state budget cuts in social services.

The low income person with no health insurance is thrown to the dogs here in Colorado. There are newspaper articles and TV stories about that, too. Colorado tax payers refuse to pay for ANYTHING and the state legislature takes up all its time each assembly with deciding which will go next. Let's see, highway repairs or Elder Abuse Protection? That's covered on the news, too.

Do the generous people of Colorado dig into their pockets for local charities since they are refusing to pay hardly anything in state taxes? HAHA! Not the good Christian Focus on the Family crowd whose motto is, "let 'em die on the streets!"

[wolf]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Transfer to Antioch if you can, Brianna, you'll get a better education and be surrounded by people who have actually have two thoughts in their brains that they can rub together!

Isn't Antioch the school where you had to specifically ask "May I touch you on the shoulder?" "May I stroke your hair?" "May I fuck you like a dog in heat?"

I don't think that's a ringing endorsement of the school or it's administration.

The students in your class suck, Bri, because they lack experience of the world, and only know what their favorite bloggers tell them about it.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by wolf

Isn't Antioch the school where you had to specifically ask... "May I fuck you like a dog in heat?"

As long as he asks nicely...

...of course, you guys are right. It's really due to the fact that they are kids and (most) have been through very little indeed. I feel better. Level heads prevail and all that!

And, just curious, Radar---if you don't want a welfare state, what do you propose as an alternative? Who cares for the elderly and the kids without parents? Foster kids recieve Medicaid to cover their medical bills (and here in Oh. they want to nix their dental benefits--perfect!) so--who takes care of them?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Brianna

As long as he asks nicely...

...of course, you guys are right. It's really due to the fact that they are kids and (most) have been through very little indeed. I feel better. Level heads prevail and all that!

And, just curious, Radar---if you don't want a welfare state, what do you propose as an alternative? Who cares for the elderly and the kids without parents? Foster kids recieve Medicaid to cover their medical bills (and here in Oh. they want to nix their dental benefits--perfect!) so--who takes care of them?

A long time ago, we had no government welfare programs. Schools were privately funded from within the communities they served. And people in need would rely on their friends, family, neighbors, churches, or private charities. Back then they got MORE help than they do now, and they had more incentive to stand up on their own.

Government is like King Midas, but instead of gold, everything government touches turns to shit. The "war on poverty" resulted in more poor people. The "war on drugs" has resulted in more people using drugs, and now the "war on terror" has resulted in more terrorism.

If you genuinely care about something, you should never let government get involved. Private organizations are more efficient and get more help to those in need 100% of the time.

Government keeps 85 cents of every dollar marked for social programs as overhead and only gets 15 cents to those in need. You can reverse those numbers for private charities. Some people stupidly claim that people wouldn't give to charity if they could keep what they own. The truth is more people would give to charity if they weren't convinced that government programs actually help people, or if they had more money to give.

If we elminate all the unconstitutional parts of government, we'll have more money to give, more people will give because they know Uncle Sam is not looking after their loved ones and others in need, and less people will need help because with more people keeping what they earn, we'd have more businesses created, more jobs, and more opportunity for people to take care of themselves.

If 1/3 of the money stolen from people at the point of a gun were collected, those in need would have MUCH MORE help than they currently get from government. Those who were not responsible and did not prepare for thier retirement, healthcare, etc. would serve as an example to others to be careful and to be responsible.

People are not owed anything based on their percieved "needs" or desires.

I would also give people and businesses a dollar for dollar tax credit for any money they spend on social programs that government is currently is involved in (all of them are unconstitutional). This means if you wanted, you could choose to send poor kids to private schools where they'll get a better education. You can choose to give money to a shelter, to a retirement home, to handicapped people, to charities that give a stipend to those in need, to food banks, etc.

Every dollar you spend would be a dollar off of your normal tax burden. It would give people the choice on where their tax money goes. Rather than having money stolen from you at the point of a gun, you can have some control on where your money goes. If you don't want your money to fund an unconstitutional war of aggression, an insane drug war, etc. you can make sure it's spent on those who need it and owe no taxes at the end of the year.

Originally Posted by Elspode

Strange...my kid's Medicaid was cut back recently, yet no one has come knocking on the door to offer to pick up the financial loss. Using your logic, if he loses something, something else will come to replace it, but it hasn't happened.

Did I miss the mail-in or something? Is there a website for applying for this new font of charity and assistance? Do I just call the Libertarian Party and ask for the Help Desk?

The thing about charity, is you have to ask for it. They generally don't go door to door asking if you need something.

Ask yourself if all medicaid, social security, medicare, welfare, public education, etc. were totally and completely cut off immediately, do you think people would be more apt to help you? My guess is yes. Right now many people don't donate to charity because they are under the mistaken assumption that government programs (funded with stolen money) are actually "helping" people. If everyone knew that there were none of these programs anymore, and they got to keep 100% of what they earn, they'd be more apt to give to those in need. And if they didn't get to keep their own money, they'd at least be able to choose where their money went..... if we were using my system.

Keep in mind, you are not owed money because you have a sick kid. You are not entitled to the money of other people based on yours or your kids needs. Forced charity is not charity; it's robbery. If someone puts a gun to my head and says they want my money so they can spend it on orphans and elderly people, it's still robbery. The fact that they are going spend it on those in need does not make it any less of a robbery.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Who Attends Antioch College

Antioch College is better than sliced bread... BLAH BLAH BLAH...

I'm sure Antioch College is a fine school.

The first thing I notice here is that the Freshmen only make up 70% of the incoming students. The rest are upperclassmen who are transferring in from elsewhere. For them to be transferring in, that would normally mean there have to be vacant slots for them to fill. How many open slots? Well, normally we are talking about sophomores when we talk about transfers. Each year, after spending their first year at Antioch, apparently 30% of the students can't wait to get the hell away.

Originally Posted by glatt

Each year, after spending their first year at Antioch, apparently 30% of the students can't wait to get the hell away.

I glanced at the stats for my alma mater, the University of Colorado. About 29% of their new students are transfer students each year. Maybe they lost their 29% to Antioch. I believe an attrition rate of 25- 30% is fairly normal - kids drop out and work for a while, tranfer to other colleges, whatever. No biggie.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

A long time ago, we had no government welfare programs. Schools were privately funded from within the communities they served. And people in need would rely on their friends, family, neighbors, churches, or private charities. Back then they got MORE help than they do now, and they had more incentive to stand up on their own.

Ah, the good old days, when men were real men, and women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. Kids these days just don't understand. Back in my day...

[Rock Steady]

Originally Posted by Radar

A long time ago, we had no government welfare programs. Schools were privately funded from within the communities they served. And people in need would rely on their friends, family, neighbors, churches, or private charities. Back then they got MORE help than they do now, and they had more incentive to stand up on their own.

This is compleat fiction. These rose colored glasses were developed in the '60s, now fashionably worn by a new generation of reactionaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

I was already tired of hearing that baloney about 30 years ago.

A long time ago, people got sick and died. Shit happened and it was ugly.

In the 1830s, the entreprenuers of the day ripped up each other's train track, treated workers like slaves and floated phoney stock to fleece the public. They called these guys Robber Barons for a good reason. More bullshit hits the fan in 1929. Now, government regulation of the financial markets is now taken for granted. Labor laws protect employees.

Today's "Welfare Reform" now "Workfare" puts already working mothers on a second job, bussed 25 miles out of the city for something that barely covers the extra child care costs.

Originally Posted by wolf

Isn't Antioch the school where you had to specifically ask "May I touch you on the shoulder?" "May I stroke your hair?" "May I fuck you like a dog in heat?"

I don't think that's a ringing endorsement of the school or it's administration.

The students in your class suck, Bri, because they lack experience of the world, and only know what their favorite bloggers tell them about it.

From Antioch's Web Page:


Who Attends Antioch College

Antioch College students are unique individuals who come from all over the world to participate in our distinctive educational program. It is hard to typify who our students are, but the data below might give you a better sense of the kinds of students who come to Antioch.

ANTIOCH COLLEGE - FALL 2005
Profile Of New Entering Students

New Students 70

Entry Type
First Year Students 71%
Transfer Students 29%

Gender
Female 53%
Male 47%

SAT Scores (middle 50%)
SAT-Verbal 620
SAT-Math 550
SAT-Combined 1170



Top Academic Area of Interests

English Literature 14%
Visual Arts 11%
Communications 8%
Political Science 6%
Undecided 5%
History 4%
Philosophy 4%


Comparative Institutional Research Program (CIRP)
Higher Education Research Institute - The American Freshman 2004
Item Antioch College 4-Year Highly Selective Colleges

General

Travel more than 500 miles to attend college 55.9%
Have both parents alive and living with each other 48.3%
View themselves as being compassionate 86%
View themselves as creative 75.4%
Had the school in which they enrolled as first choice 79.3%


Year before coming to college

Attended religious services 57.9%
Discussed religion/spirituality with friends 51.7%
Participated in organized demonstrations 81%
Were likely to discuss politics 77.6%

Objectives in going to college

Becoming accomplished in one of the performing arts 27.1%
Becoming an authority in my field 51.7%
Influencing the political structure 58.6%
Influencing social values 74.6%
Being well-off financially 22.4%
Writing original works (poems, stories, novels) 46.3%
Creating artistic work 50%
Becoming successful in a business of my own 24.1%
Becoming involved in programs to clean up the environment 44.8%
Developing a meaningful philosophy of life 84.2%
Participating in a community action program 58.6%
Keeping up to date with political affairs 70.7%
Becoming a community leader 44.8%

Reasons for deciding to go to college

To get a better job 51.7%
To gain a general education and appreciation of ideas 82.8%
To make me a more cultured person 70.2%
To be able to make more money 27.6%
To get training for a specific career 36.2%
Plan to go on to obtain a Ph.D. 29.4%

Sounds like the "may I fuck you like a dog in heat crowd" to me.