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|  10-22-2005, 07:57 PM | #1 | |
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			People such as Urbane Guerilla approve this.  From the NY Times of 22 October 2005: Quote: 
 Office of Fatherland Security and those who support its creator lie to us about protecting rights. Based pragmatically only on what they ask for, they have created threats from a mythical enemy to chip away at the Bill of Rights and basic Constitutional guarantees - ie the Patriot Acts. Patriot Act hypes fear to make dictatorship easier. Brown shirts such as Urbane Guerilla love it. We can even torture people by declaring the victims exempt from the Fundamental Declaration of Human Rights. Screw the American principles of law. As long as Osama bin Laden is still free, then Constitutional rights can be subverted. Explains why George Jr did not attempt to capture bin Laden. Fear justifies everything. Oh. But we are the good guys. Only they are evil. Our government can be trusted to be honest - to tell us that torture is OK - to provide honest reasons for a "Mission Accomplished" war. As one lady recently said, ten years ago she never thought we would relive the mistakes of Nixon, Vietnam, and Watergate. To even send good Americans to their death so that a war would not be lost on Nixon's watch. Thirty years later - well - how many remember that man declare, "Your president is not a crook." Something about why we relive the lessons of history. The current one declared, "Mission Accomplished" and said Brownie was doing a good job. He even sat on his ass as hundreds of thousands were dying from a Tsunami - with the USS Lincoln sitting for five days doing nothing in nearby Hong Kong. 30 years and we relive history all over again as if the ghost of Joseph McCarthy had returned to save us from ourselves. Maybe I should ask how many know who Joseph McCarthy is since fear again is subverting American principles. Clearly we must be the enemy. A religious right government will impose Catholic Church and fundamentalism Christian doctrine on us to save us from ourselves. Tap our internet at will to make sure the flock does not stray - does not visit porn and purchase contraception. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Why should a right wing extremist America, advocated by Urbane Guerilla types, be any different? | |
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|  10-22-2005, 08:25 PM | #2 | 
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			A couple of websites I visit tell me on the front page they have logged my IP address. I've noticed it's always the same number so I guess all the feds have to do is ask (or otherwise) comcast for addresses and who they are.    
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|  10-22-2005, 08:35 PM | #3 | 
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			In 1979, while I was in grad school, my suitemate told me the police showed up at our dorm looking for me and were waiting.  I asked a prof to go with me.  The police and the head of the computer center told me that some equipment was stolen and the phone company identified my phone as a computer modem user.  I had to show them my reciept and serial number of the decwriter I owned.  Good thing I had that reciept in my files. They said the students acted suspicious. I said the students at this University don't trust the administration. 
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|  10-24-2005, 08:35 PM | #4 | |
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			From the Washington Post of 24 Oct 2005 Quote: 
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|  10-25-2005, 03:12 AM | #5 | 
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			Hell, from the excerpt quoted, I'd approve of both points of view. TW, only the professional meshugginah thinks I'm a brownshirt, okay? Get over yourself. 
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|  10-25-2005, 03:46 PM | #6 | 
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			They want to look at my computer? I assumed they were doing it already. I'm sure entire divisions of busy haxx0rs are poring over my spam and pictures of nieces and nephews. I haven't cleaned out my cache in a year, they might even find some porn. Enjoy. While they're in there, I wish they'd at least empty the spam inbox every once in awhile. edit: the porn isn't of my nieces and nephews, you sick bastards. 
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|  10-25-2005, 09:16 PM | #7 | |
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|  10-25-2005, 09:48 PM | #8 | 
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			boy, i might as well give it up.  the real tw is funnier than i am.   (=o=) 
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|  10-31-2005, 01:43 AM | #9 | |
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			From the NY Times of 31 Oct 2005 - or just another example of why responsible nations need a smoking gun to justify war:   Quote: 
 Well its been 30 years since Vietnam. I guess we can now tell Americans why the US was the enemy - the illegal aggressor - in Vietnam. No? They might realize that we are doing same in Iraq? Gasp. The truth might be just like Pentagon Papers. We better hide it for reasons of National Security. Americans like their president when lied to. Americans cannot be trusted to learn about Vietnam until after "Mission Accomplished". Oh. We already declared Mission Accomplished - and then killed all those Iraqs and thousands of Americans. Then we torture people - because they are obviously evil - we are god's chosen people. Didn't god tell George Jr that? No problem; and I just saved money on Geico. Nobody cares about the truth. We can't be trusted with the truth. | |
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|  10-31-2005, 08:54 AM | #10 | 
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|  10-31-2005, 10:56 AM | #11 | |
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 The US is still fighting well but already lost the match. It only remains to be seen if the Iraqis or radical islamics will win.   
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|  10-31-2005, 12:39 PM | #12 | |
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