Life under GWB

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by marichiko

You have a point, HM. Never-the-less, look at the make up of the Sierra Club, The Nature Conservancy, and the ACLU, just to give a few examples. Very few of their members make less than 10K/year and those who do are most likely college students.

Originally Posted by Tonchi

I have made a high of 52K in my best year in the 80's

Ladies please, compare the attitudes of the guy making $50k to the guy making $300k. Or the guy with real clout making a million.

I respectfully ask for a retraction.

California chicks never cease to amaze me. Retraction of what? My opinion? Get real.

[Tonchi]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ladies please, compare the attitudes of the guy making $50k to the guy making $300k. Or the guy with real clout making a million. California chicks never cease to amaze me. Retraction of what? My opinion? Get real.

OK, so now we know that Bruce considers 52K in 1984 as chump change and does not qualify me as a Master of the Universe. We don't have an icon for mooning, do we? And no, I am not a California Girl. I am a Southern Girl who has lived in 6 other states and I'm here right now for the UCSD Thornton Hospital Pulmonary Medicine and Critical Care Division and because my only US relatives happen to be here. In cases where you are expected to die, it's helpful to have somebody around to bury you.

I was not asking you to retract an opinion, I asked you to retract an unfair generalization, which I understood is fair game at this forum. You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I didn't say $50k was chump change.
We're talking about life under Bush which is not the 80s.
You're in CA, right?
Flash your ass at your own risk.
What you call an "unfair generalization" is my opinion, go back and read the fucking post.
I called nothing a fact so work on your reading comprehension while your at it.
I retract nothing. :p

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ladies please, compare the attitudes of the guy making $50k to the guy making $300k. Or the guy with real clout making a million. California chicks never cease to amaze me. Retraction of what? My opinion? Get real.

You are asking us to compare attitudes of people in different income brackets. In other words, you wish us to make a generalization as to what their attitudes might be. I think you're splitting hairs on this one, Bruce.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, I want you to get out of your microcosm and find out what the rest of the population think.
Birds of a feather flock together and haven't a clue what the other flockers think.
UT gave you the data but you say it shouldn't be that way. That's your opinion but obviously the polls show the public doesn't agree with you.
Fine, you're entitled to your view but don't try to represent it as the majority view. You may be the voice of reason or the cry in the wilderness but in the end, you are just you.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, I want you to get out of your microcosm and find out what the rest of the population think.
Birds of a feather flock together and haven't a clue what the other flockers think.

Hey, I'm open, Brurce. I actually tried to find data that gave a breakdown of attitudes and concerns by the income brackets you mentioned, but couldn't find one. So where's your cite on that? I'd be honestly curious to see it.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

WHOA.

first off, i can;t believe I actually read one of your posts.

Errrr... Actually you didn't

Originally Posted by lumberjim

second: people with good incomes usually have JOBS. that can severely hamper your ability to reflect upon anything other than getting through your day with only 24 hours available. I lived in a van for 3 months in a row, and while i did have to discover dinner everyday, i have never felt more at peace.

What's the matter? Can't chew gum and scratch your nose at the same time? Of course folks have jobs. But most of 'em also have this thing called free time unless they're workaholics or something. I used to commute up to Denver for a job that I spent 9 or 10 hours a day at. The commute took me another 3 hours minimum. That was like a 12 hour day. On my drive I'd listen to NPR and worry about my pet things to worry about. Since stuff like the basics was covered, I'd worry about the Oklahoma City bombing, the elections, the environment, whatever else crossed my mind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Maybe you should go back to living in your van.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

You can cite (however many degrees in this and that that you want, you're still looking at the world from an entitled viewpoint....(and yet, somehow, you manage to sound snobby at the same time)... no one owes you anything. survive, or die, just stop holding your hand out.

This is why I know you haven't been reading my posts. Where in this thread have I been holding my hand out? A concern for the environment (to continue with my example) does not arise out of a sense of entitlement, but rather a sense of responsibility and a concern for the serious issues that I see both this nation and the planet at a cross roads over. Am I snobby to admit that I have a college degree? You admit that you are a hotshot at a car dealership. I might call you a snob for that, but I don't.

Again, it is merely intellectual laziness to go back to an argument that is at least a year old and which I haven't even set forth in this thread, instead of dealing with the issues that I have raised in the here and now.

If you want to jump all over someone about entitlements, why don't you jump on Patrick? He raised that issue in regard to his son, I didn't.