What would it take?

[Elspode]

As Wolf said, beer and ciruses are too plentiful, but if it *did* get a lot worse, I wonder if our military would enforce the will of the government at all...

Our soldiers, cops and FBI agents are Americans first and foremost, and therefore subject to the same desire for wealth and comfort as the rest of us. Take that away, and perhaps they'd desert in droves, leaving no one to force the rest of the peons to do anything but fend for themselves.

In the end, it is likely that whoever ended up with the most guns and guys would be the king/president/CEO/whatever.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Elspode

Our soldiers, cops and FBI agents are Americans first and foremost, and therefore subject to the same desire for wealth and comfort as the rest of us.

I'm not sure about that. I think a lot of these folks crave order over any of the values you expressed or even those expressed in the Dec of Ind. Even back at the founding you had your centralizers who didn't have liberty at the top of their agenda. I'd say most Americans would choose order over comfort let alone revolution. My assumption was always that I'd just leave because our society doesn't want what I want. We really wouldn't be welcome elsewhere if we waited for the poop to hit the prop. I think the gradual elimination of property rights (my issue) would be such that I could see it happening before it became critical and get to someplace too remote for govthugs to worry about for a long time.