Illegal Immigrants Are Killing Us

[NICOTINEGUN]

With the Mexico thing, I don't hate the people. I am angry with the fact that tax payers money paves their way. I wanted to get a feel for what others think about the situation. The fact is, I talk about it with people here and they don't have a clue as to what it costs our nation. It's very aggrivating.
I know if we all met in a room without having any idea who anyone was not one of you would ever guess I was the Gun. I'm sure I would never guess who Radar was, or even Lookout. I'm not the Devil. I'm bored out of my fucking mind. I miss my family. I am profoundly upset with the way things are going in America and it seems the only way to wake people up is to make them mad as hell.
I am looking for the possibility of creating real solutions to the problems at hand. We need change. We won't have it until enough people get together and do something about it. Obviously, you guys don't feel the same about the immigration problem as I do.
As far as citing my sources, I'm not one to make up information and put it out into the ozone for all to read. If I write something that is fiction, you will know by the tone of the piece. I'm not a Hippy by any means. The hippy culture had the right idea with loving people, but soon realized they needed money and the system to survive. I'm all for treating everyone the same. I don't care if you are gay, straight, black, white, Christian, Muslim, tall, short, green, have two heads, or even if you are Democrat. What pisses me off though, is when things are shoveled down my throat, like paying for other's way.
Additionally, some of the stuff you people say makes me laugh my ass off. Lumberjim wrote up a serious little ditti for me and then added "don't forget to eat a dick." That's funny. I'll drop the razorblades, Brother, but please give me something interesting to talk about-I deal with data all day. I deal with desert camo ALLLLLLL DAY. I want intelligent conversation. Don't take everything I say to heart. Of course I don't want Radar to climb into the tub and shoot himself. I don't know him at all.
Anyway, I'm here to stay. If I can't get anything meaningful to talk about in the real world, I'm going to find it anywhere I can.
Have a great day, People.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

Additionally, some of the stuff you people say makes me laugh my ass off. Lumberjim wrote up a serious little ditti for me and then added "don't forget to eat a dick."

ok. for someone who profeses to be so well educated and smart......that's twice that you've replied to my signature line. do you see the little line down there? everything after it is a signature. if you're not sure, look at another of my posts...it'll be the same.

the razorblades on the thumbs thing is a reference for this hoser that visited for a brief time. take the time to read that thread.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Tonchi

... one of the people covering Katrina cleanup efforts showed film of busloads of hispanic immigrants being BROUGHT IN from North Carolina by one retailer, to clean up his facilities! ... 68,000 people out of work in the area so he imports immigrants.

The underlying political agenda implied in this and so many previous posts is why I have less respect for extremist Democrats and Republicans. If the logic behind this post was correct, then FEMA should never have brought in their own people. Instead FEMA should have employeed the displaced locals.

No job can be performed without training. Even unskilled labor requires training to what must be cleaned in a store, how cleaning is done, with what, and how each person works within the team. Do I go around seeking the original workers in LA and MS who are long gone, scattered, cannot be contacted, etc? Of course not. For the benefit of society in MS and LA, my store must be cleaned and operating yesterday. I bring in organized, equipped, ready, and willing to work people from NC who already know how to clean my stores. I get them in. I support them. I get my store cleaned and working. And then I get my employees home to NC.

That picture, misrepresented as people stealing jobs, is instead how a centrist does things - how someone who 'comes from where the work gets done' solves the Katrina disaster. And not by throwing money at it like George Jr. proposed in his last speech.

Notice a #1 point here. Management with a plan. Notice there is no throwing money at a problem. Money is used here as a scapel - get people in who can do the job, provide people who are properly equipped, get the job done, and then get them back home. Nothing from any Democratic or Republican political agenda should ever appear in this 'can do' solution.

Meanwhile, to mention immigration and border problems in this 'can do' solution is nothing more than political extremist rhetoric. For example, any discussion about drug smuggling without first endorsing the realities even expressed in the movie "Traffic" is simply another example of why political agendas (not the drug dealers) are the #1 problem. Even the immigration problem is directly traceable to those who refuse to admit why immigrants must come here - legally or illegally.

All of which is irrelevant to what that store needs done now to advance mankind in LA and MS. Those pictures, when put into proper perspective, demonstrate what 'can do' people, unimpeded by FEMA lawyer top management, do to help the victims in LA and MS.

Sorry. I have no respect for the Democratic and Republican extremist rhetoric - reasoning justified by political agendas - that underlies some previous posts in this thread.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Even the immigration problem is directly traceable to those who refuse to admit why immigrants must come here - legally or illegally.

Why must they come here.

[capnhowdy]

If i lived in Ms or La, I would prolly be WAY too busy sweeping my own front steps to have time to be employed by a beaurocratic orginization to sweep around others'.
Point well made , TW. It would be totally obteuse (IMO) to campain amongst the residents there to "pitch in and help cleanup". For crissakes what the hell ARE they doing? Maybe trying to secure grounds for their own families? Get a daggum streetsign off their sofa? Precisely.
Hell, I'd love to go give a hand in their recovery but I can bearly find the time to keep capnhowdy's place running smoothly and I haven't seen any kin to a disaster here stronger than a lightning strike 80 yds away in since I remember.
The "unemployed" people there are not jobless. They are there to regain their ground and get their lives together collectively.
All phases of public service from all areas of the country should be there ALONG WITH the local people.
It chaps my cheeks to look at the news vidclips and see loads of natives just standing there stumbling over debris, etc., looking hopeless when they could just get their asses up and DO something about it instead of waiting and wondering where and when the next wave of help will hail. But hell, I can see where they may be in "shock" so to speak.
One of my customers had a guest a couple weeks ago that were from NO. They were speechless, scared , bewildered, and devastated about the whole damn thing. They weren't exactly sure about their property, but had seen video of places near there. I was impressed mostly by one thing: ALL THE HELL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS GET BACK AND CHECK ON ....... their community. RE: Uncle Jack, brother Jimmy, Joe , John, Bob, & Julian. And that lady that just moved in they hadn't learned her name yet. Sure they were concerned about their place. And I bet my ass when they got there they went to work and didn't sit on their asses and whine about why someone didn't send someone else to do whoodefuck knowswhoosjob.
I won't comment on GW's actions and response for reasons ,...well just guess & you'll most likely be close; but I WILL say I'd hate to have his job in these times of woe and want. These are fellow countrymen and we should ALL stand strong for and with them.
I say again: God bless America.
And I'm thankful also that THIS TIME we're not too busy helping other freakin people outside our part of the world to help our own. Or are we?
That's all I gotta say about that.

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

I am profoundly upset with the way things are going in America and it seems the only way to wake people up is to make them mad as hell.

Hey, you know what? You are not alone. Many of us are mad as hell about various things. I have typed through fire storms that I myself mostly created on this board because I was so filled with rage. Take it from one who has been there - rage does not get your message across. It will get everyone else angry, though - at YOU!

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

I am looking for the possibility of creating real solutions to the problems at hand. We need change. We won't have it until enough people get together and do something about it. Obviously, you guys don't feel the same about the immigration problem as I do.

See, as Lookout already pointed out, there's your problem. You are jumping in here cold and making assumptions about our opinions that you simply don't have enough information on to assume anything about. Mistaking Lookout for a Democrat is a whopper. He may hold some views which are congruent with that of the Democratic party, but if so, this is the first I've heard of it. So, voting for social spending, now, Lookout? Save the whales? Say, how about all those spics you keep inviting over the border to come share your home in Phoenix?

NG, if you don't make assumptions about us, chances are most of us will return the favor and not make assumptions about you.

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

As far as citing my sources, I'm not one to make up information and put it out into the ozone for all to read. If I write something that is fiction, you will know by the tone of the piece. I'm not a Hippy by any means. The hippy culture had the right idea with loving people, but soon realized they needed money and the system to survive.

Follow your bliss on the cites thing, NG. I'm a former librarian and college teacher, so I can get a bit prissy that way. I'm sure that every single word you post is God's honest truth as you understand it, but for those of us who were off chasing butterflies or something while the word from on high was handed down, its incredibly helpful to be pointed toward the reliable source from which you derived your opinion.

The hippy thing was not aimed at you, but rather my own little acknowledgement of a nice barb directed at me from Lookout. Yes, I suppose that I must seem like a whiney hippy at times, just as you have come off as a soldier of fortune whacko. I suspect that we each are far more than the sum of the epithets that others throw at us.