Understanding terrorism

[Undertoad]

barg, way too many "conspiracy theories" in your post. Italia and Poland under the control of the US? I don't think so!

Do you believe in Thierry Meyssan's 9/11 book?

[mricytoast]

Originally Posted by bargalunan

I’ve found Star Wars 2 and 3 excellent in showing how a democracy can give birth to a dictatorship :
You look like a good democrat (Palpatine) waiting for your hour and wanting to be a dictator, you need an army that obey without thinking but that your folk would refuse :
Create, use or strengthen an existing problem (separatists, terrorists) --> Use the full powers given legally by the parliament in promise you’ll defend fatherland and give them back after the problem is resolved (better when you buy senators before) --> Bring the solution (clones army) --> eliminate your former friends and actual enemies (Jedi) in accusing them of betrayal --> transform the Republic in an Empire under general applause --> eliminate your actual enemies and former friends (separatists) --> keep the power as a life emperor under terror when you’re the last one. --> Be careful of your pupil !

First thing I thought of there was Julius Caesar (Although whether he was going to stay a dictator was a question). Or, for that matter, any supposed "free" country that becomes a dictatorship. I think our good friend the Naturalist in Master and Commander said it best... "... Authority Corrupts". And in all honesty, it does. Oliver Cromwell: fought for freedom against the monarch, right? Ended up being a dictator. Stalin: Okay, negative picture here for a negative guy, but it's the same principle. And it isn't a democracy, but, he took power from the powerless to just be plain wicked.

I know it probably does sound fictitious and unrealistic. But it's happened before in history. It sounds conspiracy theoristic, but that's generally how such coups of liberty take place. slowly and surely. First it's unwarranted searches on subways, then its unwarranted searches on the streets, then it's unwarranted searches of homes. See the general direction? I find it quite scary that we are voting away our freedoms. Or rather, those lovely senators and represenatives are voting away our freedoms. I think our good friend Ben Franklin summed it up best when he said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

[bargalunan]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

barg, way too many "conspiracy theories" in your post. Italia and Poland under the control of the US? I don't think so!
Do you believe in Thierry Meyssan's 9/11 book?

I know these theories are crazy for somebody who is well intentioned. I wasn’t believing them before and sometimes I feel safer in front of somebody who doesn’t agree.

About Italy : look for “Gladio” operation, US “Stay behind”
About Poland : I don’t remember precisely, see “freedom house”, National Endowment for Democracy (NED). Poland is member of OTAN (ruled by US) since 1999, what could be Polish interests in Irak ?
About Thierry Meyssan :
- A friend of mine is Ukrainian. She said me : “I don’t understand why in French TV you always present Yushchenko (Orange Revolution) as a good pro occidental democrat ? In Ukraine he’s our Le Pen (French extreme right)”. She said also his pro Russian opponent wasn’t better.
You can agree with me : when you trust your friend who’s moderate, living in this country, her information is the best you can find.
I looked for confirmation in French newspapers, TV info, web sites, and I only found this opinion on Thierry Meyssan’s site…
- I’ve read Thierry Meyssan's “Pentagate”, I believe in it until somebody shows me it’s false : no problem.
http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article25.html

Did you read Thierry Meyssan's 9/11 book ? When is he wrong / right ?… with significant exemples.


Another conspiracy theorie :

- Hitler LEGALLY became chancellor of the Weimar Republic ! (30th jan 1933)
He was popular among Germans thanks to his rearming politics, his first economical success, his theory saying the others are enemies : Jewish, Tzigane, Black, other religions… (Aryan race is the best) THE GOOD VERSUS THE BAD AXIS
- He raised the power despite the Nazi party never received majority vote.
- Thanks to the Reichstag (parliament) burning organised by Nazis themselves (27th feb 1933), he sent his political opponents to prison and limited freedom drastically.
- The Reichstag gave him LEGALLY the full power (23th march 1933) : he immediately forbid trade unions and other political groups. He made killed his opponents during the “long knifes night” (French translation)
- when president Hindenburg died (2 aug 1934), Hitler became LEGALLY the new president because German constitution was saying the chancellor would temporary take the place. The Reichstag made a law in order to merge presidency and military power : he became LEGALLY “Fuhrer”

He made everything LEGALLY !

In 1939 German army organised a false invasion of eastern German border, by alleged Polish soldiers. Thanks to this pretext allowing him to be a VICTIM Hitler attacked Poland ---> WW2
England and France did declare war to Germany. Hitler didn’t !

If you find similar events in our actuality nowadays…
Watch over laws evolution because Hitler acted LEGALLY.

Even when they were in Auschwitz, Jewish people couldn’t believe Hitler’s aim.

It’s like car accidents : it’s always for other people ! So be careful !


I believe world peace begins by ourselves. Politician and other leaders symbolise the major part of people.

Bye