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Trilby · 07-02-2005, 07:07 PM

Tom Cruise claims scientology cured (?) him of his learning disabilities. I'd say not.
It's one of those things--I forget what you call them, you know, like a self-proving theory. Learning Disabled=High Probability of Becoming a scientologist. But that is sort of insulting to LD people. Doesn't anyone care that L. Ron Hubbard was a misanthropic cretin?

Elspode · 07-02-2005, 07:46 PM

Probably no more than the Church of All Worlds people care that Heinlein was a dirty old man.

wolf · 07-03-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

Probably no more than the Church of All Worlds people care that Heinlein was a dirty old man.

Except that L. Ron intentionally created scientology, and heinlein wrote a really good book ... and then a couple of folks (Oberon and Morning Glory, my how 60s can you get) decided that they'd mix stuff from the book along with smidgens of gardnerian wicca and form their own religion.

Oh, and then they bred unicorns for a while.

Troubleshooter · 07-03-2005, 08:54 PM

Funny how we're talking about L. Ron and the season two box set of Millenium has a hilarious episode about how Juggernaut Onan Goopta, a failed detective story writer, who came up the the secular philosophy call, wait for it, Selfosophy. They have all of the details right. It's an excellent hack job.

I've not had a TV show creep me out and be so funny at the same time.

Troubleshooter · 07-02-2005, 07:47 PM

You say that like one religion has a more valid origin than any other.

Isn't it quite possible that Scientology simple hasn't had the time to evolve into something as pervasive and popular as any other religion, like say the Mormons?

Trilby · 07-02-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

You say that like one religion has a more valid origin than any other.

Isn't it quite possible that Scientology simple hasn't had the time to evolve into something as pervasive and popular as any other religion, like say the Mormons?

The origin of scientology is a science-fiction writer who was quoted as saying that writing for a penny a word was ridiculous and if you really wanted to make money starting a religion was the way to go. He was a drug-abusing narcissist who terrorized his own children (at least according to his son who left the CoS). This is a cult and a dangerous one at that.

PS-Mormon is a cult, too.

Troubleshooter · 07-02-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

This is a cult and a dangerous one at that.

PS-Mormon is a cult, too.

You got that did you?

Just continue the analogy backwards indefinitely through time and you have the working model for all religions.

Iggy · 07-03-2005, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

The origin of scientology is a science-fiction writer who was quoted as saying that writing for a penny a word was ridiculous and if you really wanted to make money starting a religion was the way to go. He was a drug-abusing narcissist who terrorized his own children (at least according to his son who left the CoS). This is a cult and a dangerous one at that.

Amen. My mother was a scientologist, and let me tell you from first hand experience... It is a cult. All they want from you is your money and your open mind and they crowd it with all kinds of bullshit. The only reason it was made into a religion was for the tax benefits, which I don't think they deserve. The people that work there make no money and are expected to "volunteer" for like 80 hours a week. I also have an aunt and three cousins into it, and all of them have been divored at least once, sometimes 3 times. They don't allow for marriage. Everything you have "belongs" to the church and the only people making money are the people at the top. When I talk to them it is really sad the things they believe. I actually had one cousin ask me if I was into the "drugs" that all these horrible docters are prescribing. When I told her that I had to take tyroid medicine she told me that if I cleared my mind and body I wouldn't need it. Uh-huh... sure... whatever you say Madame of the Cult. And to add insult to injury I am pretty sure I know that my mother died because of those assholes. They think that the mind can control the body so much that someone with a heart problem doesn't need to take their high blood pressure medicine because some non-regulated herbal medicine is all you need. Your mind can do the rest. Bullshit.

My mom died at the young age of 43 with a massive heart attack because of that (I am pretty sure... can't be certain). She wasn't overweight either, so that didn't cause it.

Uhh... Sorry. I just really don't like those people.

07-02-2005, 07:07 PM	#1
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Tom Cruise claims scientology cured (?) him of his learning disabilities. I'd say not. It's one of those things--I forget what you call them, you know, like a self-proving theory. Learning Disabled=High Probability of Becoming a scientologist. But that is sort of insulting to LD people. Doesn't anyone care that L. Ron Hubbard was a misanthropic cretin? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

07-02-2005, 07:46 PM	#2
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Probably no more than the Church of All Worlds people care that Heinlein was a dirty old man. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

07-03-2005, 08:54 PM	#4
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Funny how we're talking about L. Ron and the season two box set of Millenium has a hilarious episode about how Juggernaut Onan Goopta, a failed detective story writer, who came up the the secular philosophy call, wait for it, Selfosophy. They have all of the details right. It's an excellent hack job. I've not had a TV show creep me out and be so funny at the same time. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

07-02-2005, 07:47 PM	#5
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	You say that like one religion has a more valid origin than any other. Isn't it quite possible that Scientology simple hasn't had the time to evolve into something as pervasive and popular as any other religion, like say the Mormons? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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