Michael Jackson.. sigh! - Page 3

Elspode · 06-13-2005, 04:49 PM

The prosecution picked *terrible* witnesses, and either didn't do their homework, or had people flipped behind the scenes.

But is MJ a pedophile? Yeah, I think he is.

lookout123 · 06-13-2005, 05:08 PM

it is just the same as the OJ trial. do i think he did some slicing? yup. do i think the prosecution provided an airtight case worthy of conviction? nope. does MJ diddle little boys? yup. has that been sufficiently proven? nope.

mrnoodle · 06-13-2005, 05:14 PM

Emailed Mike about the verdict (he doesn't have web access from his job) and received the following, which made me gag in my throat a little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pez

i heard he showed no emotion. he was probably looking forward to conjugal visits from Vern Troyer and Haley Joel Osment

That's the most disturbing visual I've had in ages.

Clodfobble · 06-13-2005, 05:27 PM

Am I the only one who heard the various testimonies (as reported in the news) and actually thought, "Wow, maybe he IS innocent?" Maybe the prosecution was incompetent... but if their main witness has sued three or four other people in demonstrably false and/or frivolous lawsuits, perhaps they should have waited? But they HAVE been waiting for the last ten years, and still couldn't come up with anything better.

Is he gay? Yes.
Is he a little freaky? Yes.
Does he molest little boys? I'm really not so sure anymore.

melidasaur · 06-13-2005, 05:41 PM

Bad prosecutors in CA can probably be attributed to the fact that you do not need to go to law school to be a licensed attorney in California. You just have to pass the bar. If I'm wrong, correct me, but that's what I was told in law school.

OnyxCougar · 06-13-2005, 05:41 PM

And that, ladies and gentleman, is reasonable doubt, which is why he got off.

Queen of the Ryche · 06-13-2005, 05:49 PM

The one thing that sticks in my craw is the fact that the kid's mom has tried this multiple times with various companies and celebrities - just kinda made me question the validiy of her/her son's claims - not that i don't think MJ i a complete Wacko....I heard he and OJ and Robert Blake are having dinner tonight to figure out who really did it.

Queen of the Ryche · 06-13-2005, 05:50 PM

oh, and PS - we're not all idiots. we just play them on TV.

warch · 06-13-2005, 05:53 PM

I have tried to not follow this, but must admit that I enjoyed Triumph's interviews with MJ supporters.

BigV · 06-13-2005, 06:29 PM

Oy!

I leave my keyboard for 28 stinkin minutes and youse guys blaze through another 20 posts. Asleep at the switch am I.[/yoda]

Quote:

Stunning verdict (Dan Abrams)
MSNBC - 28 minutes ago

It was a stunning verdict in the Jackson trial.

Most people following the case thought that this case was tough for the prosecution, but the majority believed that Michael Jackson would be convicted of something.

This was not the case. He was not only acquitted of all the felony counts, but also of the lesser offenses. There were opportunities for the jury to compromise, like citing Jackson for a misdemeanor on serving alcohol to the minor (like a bartender would be), but the jury said “no.”

It’s an all-out vindication for Michael Jackson. Some would say that this does not mean that there was never any molestation, only that the burden of proof— of proof beyond reasonable doubt— was not met. The prosecutors did not survive this burden.

riddlerlife · 06-13-2005, 06:39 PM

I agree with Clodfobble in that I don't know that he necessarily is guilty. He didn't have much of a childhood, was abused as a child, and seems to have some deep psychological issues (as do more of us than would like to admit or think about). It seems absolutely foolish of him to ever put himself in a position that one could see from 10 miles a way ( or several thousand in my case) would create problems. He was in a position that was going to require defending no matter which way you look at it. Healing psychological wounds by trying to reinvent your childhood is going to raise eyebrows no matter how you look at it not to mention the confusion it might cause for children you choose for playmates (in the complete platonic sense of the word). It's hard to look at the history of his accuser's family and see any consistency from the evidence they presented. Who knows, without stepping into Jacko's world (no thanks), I'll never be sure whether he's a rich twisted pervert, or a very lost, pained man trapped in a childhood that never existed.

busterb · 06-13-2005, 08:34 PM

California. The land of fruits and nuts. Take your own read on that from someone who hauled produce from CA.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-13-2005, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch

I have tried to not follow this, but must admit that I enjoyed Triumph's interviews with MJ supporters.

One of his better (and more dangerous) stunts.

I’ve a theory. Riddlerlife touched on it some, the man has led a screwed up life. I think he was happiest with the least pressure when he was 12 or 13 and wants to pretend he is again, whenever possible.
Unfortunately his little playmates, whatever their motives, have a tough time imagining MJ as being young again. When he starts doing the shit that boys that age do, they can’t get into it. Somehow a circle jerk with a middle aged man doesn’t seem right.

melidasaur · 06-13-2005, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Somehow a circle jerk with a middle aged man doesn’t seem right.

very well said!!!

richlevy · 06-13-2005, 09:23 PM

Well, I was able to console a coworker. I told him for every guilty man who is found innocent in California, two innocent men are found guilty in Texas, so we are still a law-and-order country.

06-13-2005, 04:49 PM	#31
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The prosecution picked terrible witnesses, and either didn't do their homework, or had people flipped behind the scenes. But is MJ a pedophile? Yeah, I think he is. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

06-13-2005, 05:08 PM	#32
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	it is just the same as the OJ trial. do i think he did some slicing? yup. do i think the prosecution provided an airtight case worthy of conviction? nope. does MJ diddle little boys? yup. has that been sufficiently proven? nope. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

06-13-2005, 05:41 PM	#35
melidasaur Traded your soul for pogs. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 646	Bad prosecutors in CA can probably be attributed to the fact that you do not need to go to law school to be a licensed attorney in California. You just have to pass the bar. If I'm wrong, correct me, but that's what I was told in law school. __________________ I love England, what can I say?

06-13-2005, 05:41 PM	#36
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	And that, ladies and gentleman, is reasonable doubt, which is why he got off. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

06-13-2005, 05:49 PM	#37
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	The one thing that sticks in my craw is the fact that the kid's mom has tried this multiple times with various companies and celebrities - just kinda made me question the validiy of her/her son's claims - not that i don't think MJ i a complete Wacko....I heard he and OJ and Robert Blake are having dinner tonight to figure out who really did it. __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

06-13-2005, 05:27 PM	#34
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Am I the only one who heard the various testimonies (as reported in the news) and actually thought, "Wow, maybe he IS innocent?" Maybe the prosecution was incompetent... but if their main witness has sued three or four other people in demonstrably false and/or frivolous lawsuits, perhaps they should have waited? But they HAVE been waiting for the last ten years, and still couldn't come up with anything better. Is he gay? Yes. Is he a little freaky? Yes. Does he molest little boys? I'm really not so sure anymore.

06-13-2005, 05:50 PM	#38
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	oh, and PS - we're not all idiots. we just play them on TV. __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

06-13-2005, 05:53 PM	#39
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I have tried to not follow this, but must admit that I enjoyed Triumph's interviews with MJ supporters.

06-13-2005, 06:39 PM	#41
riddlerlife the moon favors those who speak with it Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: away from people Posts: 10	I agree with Clodfobble in that I don't know that he necessarily is guilty. He didn't have much of a childhood, was abused as a child, and seems to have some deep psychological issues (as do more of us than would like to admit or think about). It seems absolutely foolish of him to ever put himself in a position that one could see from 10 miles a way ( or several thousand in my case) would create problems. He was in a position that was going to require defending no matter which way you look at it. Healing psychological wounds by trying to reinvent your childhood is going to raise eyebrows no matter how you look at it not to mention the confusion it might cause for children you choose for playmates (in the complete platonic sense of the word). It's hard to look at the history of his accuser's family and see any consistency from the evidence they presented. Who knows, without stepping into Jacko's world (no thanks), I'll never be sure whether he's a rich twisted pervert, or a very lost, pained man trapped in a childhood that never existed. __________________ riddler

06-13-2005, 08:34 PM	#42
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	California. The land of fruits and nuts. Take your own read on that from someone who hauled produce from CA. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

06-13-2005, 09:23 PM	#45
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Well, I was able to console a coworker. I told him for every guilty man who is found innocent in California, two innocent men are found guilty in Texas, so we are still a law-and-order country. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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