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Old 06-01-2005, 10:26 AM   #1
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OK, I guess I'm just not old enough or politically savvy enough, but can someone tell me why this is such a huge deal? Does it matter who did the telling or that it was told? Is it just a matter of "Oh! Didn't see that coming!" type of interest, or does this shake the country's politicos to their knickers?
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Old 06-01-2005, 10:30 AM   #2
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I think people are just excited that the answer has been revealed, and not excited too much about what the answer actually is.
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Old 06-01-2005, 06:07 PM   #3
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OK, I guess I'm just not old enough or politically savvy enough, but can someone tell me why this is such a huge deal?
Literally most everyone above Felt was in on or participating in the Watergate coverup, the plumbers, and numerous other crimes intentionally initiated by the White House. Ironically who was also part of another embarrassment - a previous misuse of power for the same reasons – the McCarthy hearings? Nixon was also involved there.

Name another whistle blower who did more to save the US Government. You can't. Deep Throat was the mother of all whistle blowers in a time when whistle blowing was illegal and never considered neccesary. For almost a year, numerous crimes conducted by high level people in the US Government and absolutely no one to go to about these crimes. No one. Nada. There would be no special Watergate prosecutor for another year. The revelations so massive and - well - every day was another 'punch you in the face' relevation in those Senate hearings. There was no TV all day for weeks - except for the Watergate hearings. Did that ever happen in your lifetime? No, because the foundations of the US government were never so much under attack. Literally everyone in position of power in the White House was involved. And there probably would have been no investigation if Felt had not done as he did - at great risk to himself.

The expression "don't trust anyone over 30" was just another sound byte so accurately describing how corrupt the US Government had become. Everyone did drugs because the government lied. Smoking a joint only proved again what liars our government was. This in a time when so many refused to believe government would lie.

BTW, these are all symptoms of Vietnam - a war conducted without a smoking gun and continued using lies. The Watergate burglars were created because of the Pentagon Papers - the first real facts we had that the American government was lying about Vietnam. The 'everyone hates me' attitude, the enemies list, and so many other gouges in the US Constitution finally came to a head with Watergate - where literally anyone who should be investigating or prosecuting crimes against the government were literally part of the conspiracy.

It may have been 1972. But is it part of the turmoil we call the 60s. Watergate only brought it all to a head.
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Old 06-02-2005, 09:00 PM   #4
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Literally most everyone above Felt was in on or participating in the Watergate coverup, the plumbers, and numerous other crimes intentionally initiated by the White House. Ironically who was also part of another embarrassment - a previous misuse of power for the same reasons – the McCarthy hearings? Nixon was also involved there.

Name another whistle blower who did more to save the US Government. You can't. Deep Throat was the mother of all whistle blowers in a time when whistle blowing was illegal and never considered neccesary. For almost a year, numerous crimes conducted by high level people in the US Government and absolutely no one to go to about these crimes. No one. Nada. There would be no special Watergate prosecutor for another year. The revelations so massive and - well - every day was another 'punch you in the face' relevation in those Senate hearings. There was no TV all day for weeks - except for the Watergate hearings. Did that ever happen in your lifetime? No, because the foundations of the US government were never so much under attack. Literally everyone in position of power in the White House was involved. And there probably would have been no investigation if Felt had not done as he did - at great risk to himself.

The expression "don't trust anyone over 30" was just another sound byte so accurately describing how corrupt the US Government had become. Everyone did drugs because the government lied. Smoking a joint only proved again what liars our government was. This in a time when so many refused to believe government would lie.

BTW, these are all symptoms of Vietnam - a war conducted without a smoking gun and continued using lies. The Watergate burglars were created because of the Pentagon Papers - the first real facts we had that the American government was lying about Vietnam. The 'everyone hates me' attitude, the enemies list, and so many other gouges in the US Constitution finally came to a head with Watergate - where literally anyone who should be investigating or prosecuting crimes against the government were literally part of the conspiracy.

It may have been 1972. But is it part of the turmoil we call the 60s. Watergate only brought it all to a head.
I am pretty (intentionally) naive when it comes to politics, but this whole post feels very familiar to me...like deja vu, almost.
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Old 06-04-2005, 01:36 AM   #5
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I am pretty (intentionally) naive when it comes to politics, but this whole post feels very familiar to me...like deja vu, almost.
You've pegged it..... only now there is no outrage from anywhere of consequence. They control the press...or enough of it to counter any they don't.
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Old 06-04-2005, 01:38 AM   #6
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This is depressing. On to another thread with my drunk self.
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Old 06-04-2005, 08:34 AM   #7
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You've pegged it..... only now there is no outrage from anywhere of consequence. They control the press...or enough of it to counter any they don't.
If middle class kids were being drafted for the shit you'd have outrage.

BINGHAMTON -- When Lester Goodwin of Binghamton spotted his daughter Carmen Renee Goodwin at Hancock International Airport in Syracuse on Wednesday afternoon, he hid behind the crowd, then grasped her in a surprise hug.

His "baby" was finally home after a tour of duty with the U.S. Air Force in Iraq.

"It was the happiest moment of my life," the 52-year-old father said Thursday.

And it was only the beginning of many happy moments for the 26-year-old Goodwin. After five months in Iraq, the Binghamton native could finally hold her son -- a smiling 2-year-old named Tygi.

Her time at an air base in Tallil was the longest time she had ever been away from her son.

"Being separated from him for months and months at a time was torture," she said
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Old 06-04-2005, 11:19 AM   #8
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If middle class kids were being drafted for the shit you'd have outrage.

BINGHAMTON
And it was only the beginning of many happy moments for the 26-year-old Goodwin. After five months in Iraq, the Binghamton native could finally hold her son -- a smiling 2-year-old named Tygi.

Her time at an air base in Tallil was the longest time she had ever been away from her son.

"Being separated from him for months and months at a time was torture," she said
Where's the outrage from the Family Research Council that 1-year-olds are being separated from their mothers? Oh that's right, why would they want to criticize the President who wants to help them put gays back in the closet and nail the door shut?
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