Whatever happened to the McCarthurs and the Pattons

Clodfobble · 12-09-2004, 03:48 PM

But that last statement doesn't logically follow. All the previous examples show is 'they hate the US, and everyone who is friends with the US.' That doesn't mean there's no step before the US. Why can they not hate the US because we're allies with Israel, just like they can hate Turkey (apparently) only for being allied with the US?

It even mentions that "Greece has always sided with the Arabs on Palestine"... They hate the US, but they hate Israel way, way more.

iamthewalrus109 · 12-11-2004, 03:45 PM

Truth be told Israel is one of the strongest symbols of American/western hemogeny of post WWII Earth. It's not only that the US supports Israel, but that they are in continous support of foriegn policy doctrine that recognizes a world order that was the result of agreements made at the end of the war. The parceling of Arab land, the reclaiming of land to form the state of Israel, and the pre-contstruction of the cold war infrastructure. All this ties into the mess we are all in now. All of these factors, mixed with the basic greed and averest of the United States has landed us here, its pure and simple really. Israel stands as a world order detested by Arabs, and reinforced by the military might of the US. Get ready for hardball

-Walrus

tw · 12-11-2004, 08:22 PM

UT's post suffers from a fundamental flaw. He sees the world same as Rush Limbaugh. Them verses us. Cowboys with black hats versese cowboys with white hats. Good verses evil.

Reality - the world is a multi dimensional complexity where two enemies share a common adversion to a forth or seven different enemies.

Those who understand the world also knew that Saddam more feared the Muslim Brotherhood than he did the US. They knew that Osama bin Laden was just another example of a multi-dimensional entity that has existed since the 1400s. In a single dimensional world, the enemy of Saddam - bin Laden - was a Saddam ally.

In a previous discussion about the Muslim Brotherhood, UT all but denied it even exists. Well yes. He must if he views the world only in terms of 'them verses us'.

Even in Israel - a close American friend - is an adversary of America - who also happens to be its leadership. Likud stands for things adversarial to principles that America stands for. But then it is a complex and multi-dimensional world. The world cannot be as UT has just posted. "Them" - the evil muslims - verses "Us" - the righteous christians? This is the same mentality that says "god is on our side".

OnyxCougar · 12-12-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by iamthewalrus109

All this ties into the mess we are all in now. All of these factors, mixed with the basic greed and averest of the United States has landed us here, its pure and simple really.

Do you mean avarice?

12-11-2004, 03:45 PM	#2
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	Israel is indicative of a larger issue Truth be told Israel is one of the strongest symbols of American/western hemogeny of post WWII Earth. It's not only that the US supports Israel, but that they are in continous support of foriegn policy doctrine that recognizes a world order that was the result of agreements made at the end of the war. The parceling of Arab land, the reclaiming of land to form the state of Israel, and the pre-contstruction of the cold war infrastructure. All this ties into the mess we are all in now. All of these factors, mixed with the basic greed and averest of the United States has landed us here, its pure and simple really. Israel stands as a world order detested by Arabs, and reinforced by the military might of the US. Get ready for hardball -Walrus

12-09-2004, 03:48 PM	#1
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	But that last statement doesn't logically follow. All the previous examples show is 'they hate the US, and everyone who is friends with the US.' That doesn't mean there's no step before the US. Why can they not hate the US because we're allies with Israel, just like they can hate Turkey (apparently) only for being allied with the US? It even mentions that "Greece has always sided with the Arabs on Palestine"... They hate the US, but they hate Israel way, way more.

12-11-2004, 08:22 PM	#3
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	UT's post suffers from a fundamental flaw. He sees the world same as Rush Limbaugh. Them verses us. Cowboys with black hats versese cowboys with white hats. Good verses evil. Reality - the world is a multi dimensional complexity where two enemies share a common adversion to a forth or seven different enemies. Those who understand the world also knew that Saddam more feared the Muslim Brotherhood than he did the US. They knew that Osama bin Laden was just another example of a multi-dimensional entity that has existed since the 1400s. In a single dimensional world, the enemy of Saddam - bin Laden - was a Saddam ally. In a previous discussion about the Muslim Brotherhood, UT all but denied it even exists. Well yes. He must if he views the world only in terms of 'them verses us'. Even in Israel - a close American friend - is an adversary of America - who also happens to be its leadership. Likud stands for things adversarial to principles that America stands for. But then it is a complex and multi-dimensional world. The world cannot be as UT has just posted. "Them" - the evil muslims - verses "Us" - the righteous christians? This is the same mentality that says "god is on our side".

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