Bush, Communism, and the County Dem headquarters

[Undertoad]

Understand, to me, arguing for Communism IS being a dick.

We used to think that stuff worked until we woke up and took a look around. India was starving to death until they denationalized their farming industry. Ethiopia didn't have the kind of famine problems that Live Aid was created to remedy... until they went Communist and nationalized their farming industry. The US never nationalized dick, and surprise, it turned out to be the right way to go. 70-80 years later we have basically done away with scarcity problems COMPLETELY, but because there were a few years of difficult economy four generations ago, extended by the (anyone? anyone?) Smoot-Hawley tariffs of 1930, Rich thinks he has it all figured out and it's the mean money-making capitalists keeping us down. Never mind that the less productive nations have spent all their time killing each other, the fact that a small handful of people died in 1931 means that the market is a failure and the equivalent of Stalinism.

Well, FUCK THAT KIND OF NOISE. Wake the fuck up, take a look around.

EVEN THE CHINESE ARE FUCKING CAPITALISTS NOW, AND IT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM RICH. No complaints about market economies in the far east... they've woken up and smelt the fucking coffee already. It's like they say, there are more Communists at Harvard than there are left in eastern Europe.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The US never nationalized dick

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Rich, you weren't arguing for Communism, were you? It doesn't seem like it, but maybe I'm hallucinating.

And Slang, your stunt meant nothing in Pennsylvania. Congratulations!

[slang]

I know. Some one else's in Ohio did. Don't be bitter though, there is another election coming. You can put your energies into electing the guy of your choice.

It is interesting and fun seeing you guys whine though. For months I read shit here that pissed me off and just let it slide. There are a lot of people here that dont like Bush. I can accept that. Why cant you accept that reasonable people from all over the country voted for Bush instead of Kerry? What, they were all fundies? Please.

I know, they'll all stupid. With that attitude and denial, the Dems will be losing even more elections in the near future.

And...

Kerry lost.

[elSicomoro]

Who's bitter, Slang? I know Bush won, and completely accept that. I wrote a rather level-headed piece just after the election and purposely didn't say much about the aftermath on Cellar b/c of all the whining.

But here you come 3 weeks after the election to rub it in and to and post some prank photos with some ridiculous shit about Kerry and Communists...that's as bad as some of those moveon.org ads. It was funny at first, but now it's just stupid. You're getting exactly what you're giving right now.

The election is over...your boy won, but your vote didn't count towards getting him there. That's it. Enough. Enjoy your victory. Meanwhile, people like me are gearing up for '08...you should too, since your boy can't run again...yet.

[slang]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Meanwhile, people like me are gearing up for '08...you should too

Good Syc. Getting involved does wonderful things for the grassroots orgs. I am still involved but not with 08 at this time. With 06. It seems we have to start working on operation "Good bye Ed".

This little stunt putting signs up in support of our candidate is really not a stunt. It's supporting our candidate. In this election it didnt matter. Maybe for the overall numbers but not for the electoral college, which is the key.

Both sides are gearing up and whatever the campaigns were this time around will be nothing compared to the next few.

It should be exciting and I look forward to volunteering more in the future.

I'd like to respond in more detail, but I gotta go sling phone books. Your post has given me an idea, however, Slang. Republicans get their books delivered direct to their coffee tables through their living room windows. The suckers have enough money to pay for the broken glass for the added convenience of in house delivery. Democrats will get their books left neatly to one side of the drive. Let 'em walk out there to get them! Viva la Revoluci'on!

[slang]

Originally Posted by marichiko

....The suckers have enough money to pay.......

They might have cash out there but there are plenty out this way that don't have a lot of money.

One would be me, although things are looking up now that.....



Kerry lost.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by sycamore

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Rich, you weren't arguing for Communism, were you? It doesn't seem like it, but maybe I'm hallucinating.

And Slang, your stunt meant nothing in Pennsylvania. Congratulations!

No I wasn't arguing for Communism. I was arguing against the bloody-shirt politics of bringing up Communism as the boogieman for any kind of criticism of pure Capitalism or the corporate state. Kerry=Communism=100 million dead? Give me a break!

What we have in the US is not pure capitalism. We will have pure capitalism on the day that lobbyists convince Congress to remove every environmental, labor, and financial protection written into law.

[slang]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Kerry=Communism=100 million dead?

I think the sign was trying to say Communism=100 million dead, is on the way out but Kerry is a communist sympathizer so a vote for him would be giving it another chance, just to make sure it's a bad system.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by slang

I think the sign was trying to say Communism=100 million dead, is on the way out but Kerry is a communist sympathizer so a vote for him would be giving it another chance, just to make sure it's a bad system.

Actually, I agree with UT that the total victims of Communist dictators may be 100 million.

The part about Kerry being a Communist sympathizer is wrong, Kerry just knew that the US had to deal with Communist countries, especially in the area of MIA's from Vietnam. Kerry is no more a Communist than JFK, Clinton, FDR, or Nixon.

[wolf]

I found a couple stickers for the back of the pickup ...

[slang]

I'm sure Rich would like to have them on the truck. They are funny. I think the BC04 sticker on the slangmobile is more the image I'm looking for though.


You know how image conscious I am.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by slang

I think the sign was trying to say Communism=100 million dead, is on the way out but Kerry is a communist sympathizer so a vote for him would be giving it another chance, just to make sure it's a bad system.

Of course anyone who voted for Bush has to be willing to set aside the fact that he is the President who nationalized education... right out of the little red handbook.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by sycamore

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Nationalizing the railroad has been such an overwhelming success too ...

Amtrak hemmorhages cash, and has from the day it came into existence.

The metro isn't doing so well either, apparently, and that was funded with federal money too.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Understand, to me, arguing for Communism IS being a dick.

Well, FUCK THAT KIND OF NOISE. Wake the fuck up, take a look around.

EVEN THE CHINESE ARE FUCKING CAPITALISTS NOW, AND IT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM RICH. No complaints about market economies in the far east... they've woken up and smelt the fucking coffee already. It's like they say, there are more Communists at Harvard than there are left in eastern Europe.

What I'm arguing is the the reason for people even attempting Communism is to fix failures in Capitalism. Our current system is not pure Capitalism, although with the repeal of the Glass-Steegal Act, it appears we are trying to unlearn any lesson we learned from the Great Depression.

One argument for pure Capitalism is that wealth will automatically redistribute throughout society by trickling down from the wealthiest to the working class. In this case, the rate of income inequality should go down as the government becomes more business-friendly.

A Maldistribution of Purchasing Power
A fundamental maldistribution of purchasing power, the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920s, was another factor that contributed to the Great Depression. Wages increased at a rate that was a fraction of the rate at which productivity increased. As production costs fell quickly, wages rose slowly, and prices remained constant, the bulk benefit of the increased productivity went into profits. As industrial and agricultural production increased, the proportion of the profits going to farmers, factory workers, and other potential consumers was far too small to create a market for goods that they were producing.