Sample Ballots

Kitsune · 10-25-2004, 01:10 PM

Yay! My sample ballot came in the mail! What? There's more on it than just the office of the president? Well, lets see what else there is...

From the Florida ballot:

Proposing amendments to the State Constitution to require the sponsor of a constitutional amendment proposed by citizen initiative to file the initiative petition with the Secretary of State by February 1 of the year of a general election in order to have the measure submitted to the electors for approval or rejection at the following November's general election, and to require the Florida Supreme Court to render an advisory opinion addressing the validity of an initiative petition by April 1 of the year in which the amendment is to be submitted to the electors.

After reading it once, I had to read it out loud, but ran out of breath.

Get the proposer some punctuation!

We also have eight individuals listed as choices for Office of the President. Does this vary from state to state? I wasn't expecting so many this time around.

Happy Monkey · 10-25-2004, 01:37 PM

It does vary from state to state. That's why Nader and the Republicans are fighting state by state to get Nader on the ballots.

Kitsune · 10-25-2004, 01:53 PM

Well, we have Nader. Here's the set, including a number I've not heard of, before.

George W. Bush (REP)
John F. Kerry (DEM)
Michael A. Peroutka (CPF)
Michael Badnarik (LIB)
David Cobb (GRE)
James Harris (SWP)
Walter F. Brown (SPF)
Ralph Nader (REF)

Florida is going to be in for a real fun election count. Hoo, boy.

Clodfobble · 10-25-2004, 04:15 PM

Wow... On my ballot this morning (in Texas) I had the choice between Kerry, Bush, Badnarik, and Write-In.

Undertoad · 10-25-2004, 05:25 PM

Texas ballot access requirements are amongst the worst in the country. From here:

Quote:

In Texas, Nader tried to get on the ballot by collecting voter signatures, but his campaign submitted them two weeks after the May deadline. His attorneys argued the state of Texas had no legitimate reason to have different requirements for independent and third-party candidates.

Nader was required to collect at least 64,076 signatures by May 10 from registered voters who did not vote in the Democratic or Republican primaries. That equals 1% of all votes cast for president in the most recent election in Texas.

Third-party candidates needed to collect 45,540 signatures by May 24, the day Nader's campaign turned in its signatures. State officials argue the signature and time requirements were not unreasonable and could have been met with a better effort by Nader's group.

Of the 80,000 signatures Nader's campaign filed in May, a random sample by the state showed that between 56,215 and 63,374 were valid. Those numbers would have qualified Nader under the third-party access rules but not as an independent candidate.

Griff · 10-25-2004, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It does vary from state to state. That's why Nader and the Republicans are fighting state by state to get Nader on the ballots.

Nice spin.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-25-2004, 08:23 PM

Spin? True as far as I can determine, so why spin?

Happy Monkey · 10-25-2004, 08:40 PM

Republicans don't like to be mentioned as helping Nader.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-26-2004, 03:50 AM

I know, HM. But why is a straight out fact, being called spin, by Griff?
Makes me wonder what the definition of spin is? I always thought it was trying to convince people that a statement or event really didn't mean what most people would think at first glance.

Cyber Wolf · 10-26-2004, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitsune

George W. Bush (REP)
John F. Kerry (DEM)
Michael A. Peroutka (CPF)
Michael Badnarik (LIB)
David Cobb (GRE)
James Harris (SWP)
Walter F. Brown (SPF)
Ralph Nader (REF)

Is the party listing always the same, Rep first, Dem second and whoeverelse third? If they are, is there anything on whether or not the Republican set in a given election situation gets more votes because people who might not be sure in the booth simply select the first in the line? It's like a huge multiple choice question with no correct answer. It doesn't have to be a significant number of votes more to swing an election either way.

Undertoad · 10-26-2004, 07:08 AM

I think what he's saying is that the Ds have worked just as hard or harder to keep Nader off than the Rs have worked to get him on.

"Thank goodness the judges acted to keep some of the candidates off the ballot."
-- common theme in the USA right now

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2004, 07:16 AM

In DC:

John F Kerry (DEM)
David Cobb (DC statehood GRN)
Michael Badnarik (LIB)
James Harris (SWP)
George W. Bush (REP)
Ralph Nader (IND)
Write in

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2004, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I think what he's saying is that the Ds have worked just as hard or harder to keep Nader off than the Rs have worked to get him on.

I'd disagree with "just as hard or harder", if only because it's much less work to challenge signatures than it is to collect and defend them.

Undertoad · 10-26-2004, 05:23 PM

Oh stop. The Rs did the hard work of paying signature gatherers at $1 a signature. The Ds did the hard work of paying their $300/hr lawyers to invalidate those signatures and play with state election laws.

Political hackery hurts America and makes baby Jesus cry.

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2004, 05:34 PM

And the Rs did the hard work of defending signatures and playing with state election laws. So, by your calculations, R: $301, D: $300

10-25-2004, 01:10 PM	#1
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Sample Ballots Yay! My sample ballot came in the mail! What? There's more on it than just the office of the president? Well, lets see what else there is... From the Florida ballot: Proposing amendments to the State Constitution to require the sponsor of a constitutional amendment proposed by citizen initiative to file the initiative petition with the Secretary of State by February 1 of the year of a general election in order to have the measure submitted to the electors for approval or rejection at the following November's general election, and to require the Florida Supreme Court to render an advisory opinion addressing the validity of an initiative petition by April 1 of the year in which the amendment is to be submitted to the electors. After reading it once, I had to read it out loud, but ran out of breath. Get the proposer some punctuation! We also have eight individuals listed as choices for Office of the President. Does this vary from state to state? I wasn't expecting so many this time around.

10-25-2004, 01:37 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It does vary from state to state. That's why Nader and the Republicans are fighting state by state to get Nader on the ballots. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-25-2004, 08:23 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Spin? True as far as I can determine, so why spin? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-25-2004, 08:40 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Republicans don't like to be mentioned as helping Nader. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-26-2004, 03:50 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I know, HM. But why is a straight out fact, being called spin, by Griff? Makes me wonder what the definition of spin is? I always thought it was trying to convince people that a statement or event really didn't mean what most people would think at first glance. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-25-2004, 01:53 PM	#3
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Well, we have Nader. Here's the set, including a number I've not heard of, before. George W. Bush (REP) John F. Kerry (DEM) Michael A. Peroutka (CPF) Michael Badnarik (LIB) David Cobb (GRE) James Harris (SWP) Walter F. Brown (SPF) Ralph Nader (REF) Florida is going to be in for a real fun election count. Hoo, boy.

10-25-2004, 04:15 PM	#4
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Wow... On my ballot this morning (in Texas) I had the choice between Kerry, Bush, Badnarik, and Write-In.

10-26-2004, 07:08 AM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I think what he's saying is that the Ds have worked just as hard or harder to keep Nader off than the Rs have worked to get him on. "Thank goodness the judges acted to keep some of the candidates off the ballot." -- common theme in the USA right now

10-26-2004, 07:16 AM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	In DC: John F Kerry (DEM) David Cobb (DC statehood GRN) Michael Badnarik (LIB) James Harris (SWP) George W. Bush (REP) Ralph Nader (IND) Write in __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-26-2004, 05:23 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Oh stop. The Rs did the hard work of paying signature gatherers at $1 a signature. The Ds did the hard work of paying their $300/hr lawyers to invalidate those signatures and play with state election laws. Political hackery hurts America and makes baby Jesus cry.

10-26-2004, 05:34 PM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	And the Rs did the hard work of defending signatures and playing with state election laws. So, by your calculations, R: $301, D: $300 __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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