Beware of Toddler

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by garnet

While it sounds like you're doing all the right things, I have to disagree with the statement above. I'm childless by choice--and gloriously happy about it. I don't think anyone else should have to suffer because of some kid's bad behavior, whether or not the parent has control of the situation. I've seen meals and a few weddings ruined by screaming children. I'm not saying it's the kid's or the parent's fault--afterall, kids will be kids. I just don't think you should subject other people to it unless there's absolutely no other way around it. Having kids is a choice in every sense of the word. If your choice is to have kids, great--but don't make others "deal" with your choice.

If I am in public and my kid screeches at the top of his lungs, no, there is no way around it. I can't go back in time and make it not happen. Of course, since I know how to handle it, my kid doesn't do that very often. Yes, kids will be kids.

Not having kids is your choice just like having a kid was my choice. I never said that I thought kids should be free to run around ruining the lives of innocent, blissful, childless people. I stated my impatience for people who think they know how I need to discipline my child. I don't seem to have a problem with excessive misbehavior in Jamey, so the suffering of people around that have to hear a 3 year old throw a tantrum is pretty minimal.

[jane_says]

My plan was to stay out of this, but my plans seldom work. All I have to say is that I've been on both sides of this fence - childless by choice for a long time, and now I have two.
We all have to put up with things from other people we don't approve of or like. I just stood behind a guy at the grocery store who was quite ripe. It was gross, and made me uncomfortable, but Not My Business. There are people at work whose wardrobe I think is entirely hideous, and I don't want to see navels, ass cracks, or camel toes at my place of employment. As long as they're not making me dress that way, also Not My Business. Likewise, how anyone raises their kids is Not My Business. If they're not hitting me, damaging my property or causing traffic accidents, I turn my head. I'll raise my kids and let them raise theirs. I really don't have a choice, in reality, so it's one less thing to stress over. Accepting the things I can't change, and all that.

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by jane_says

My plan was to stay out of this, but my plans seldom work. All I have to say is that I've been on both sides of this fence - childless by choice for a long time, and now I have two.
We all have to put up with things from other people we don't approve of or like. I just stood behind a guy at the grocery store who was quite ripe. It was gross, and made me uncomfortable, but Not My Business. There are people at work whose wardrobe I think is entirely hideous, and I don't want to see navels, ass cracks, or camel toes at my place of employment. As long as they're not making me dress that way, also Not My Business. Likewise, how anyone raises their kids is Not My Business. If they're not hitting me, damaging my property or causing traffic accidents, I turn my head. I'll raise my kids and let them raise theirs. I really don't have a choice, in reality, so it's one less thing to stress over. Accepting the things I can't change, and all that.

What she said

[garnet]

Originally Posted by case

I never said that I thought kids should be free to run around ruining the lives of innocent, blissful, childless people. I stated my impatience for people who think they know how I need to discipline my child. I don't seem to have a problem with excessive misbehavior in Jamey, so the suffering of people around that have to hear a 3 year old throw a tantrum is pretty minimal.

And I personally could care less how anyone disciplines their children. None of my business, and not my problem. I'm just saying that it's way too often that parents let the kids scream and yell and throw tantrums in public and subject their kid's bad behavior on everyone else. NO, I didn't say that's what YOU do. I think if the kid's throwing a fit in a restaurant, you should take him outside. Your night out may be ruined, but please don't ruin mine.

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by garnet

And I personally could care less how anyone disciplines their children. None of my business, and not my problem. I'm just saying that it's way too often that parents let the kids scream and yell and throw tantrums in public and subject their kid's bad behavior on everyone else. NO, I didn't say that's what YOU do. I think if the kid's throwing a fit in a restaurant, you should take him outside. Your night out may be ruined, but please don't ruin mine.

Too bad we all have to deal with society. There are some adults I would like to see taken outside because they ruin my good time. But somehow they are still allowed to vote, drive cars, make additional humans, participate in a jury, and work. These are all things that could and do affect me personally much more significantly than just a ruined evening.

Is it possible that the unruly adults are responsible for the fact that their children act like demons? Could be. So when a sweeping generalization about children is spun out like thoughtless spew, I take offense.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by case

Too bad we all have to deal with society. There are some adults I would like to see taken outside because they ruin my good time. But somehow they are still allowed to vote, drive cars, make additional humans, participate in a jury, and work. These are all things that could and do affect me personally much more significantly than just a ruined evening.

Is it possible that the unruly adults are responsible for the fact that their children act like demons? Could be. So when a sweeping generalization about children is spun out like thoughtless spew, I take offense.

Sorry, but there's nothing we can do about the asshole who's had too much to drink at the bar and gets loud, or the people who cut you off in traffic. It's pretty easy for a parent to scoop up a crying child and take him or her out for some air out of common courtesy for other paying customers. I guess common courtesy isn't so common anymore.

You said you kid rarely misbehaves, it's therefore interesting that you've had so many people comment on how you should discipline him, and also interesting that you're so defensive about the whole issue. Oooops, that's just more of my thoughtless spew...sorry.

[perth]

Originally Posted by garnet

You said you kid rarely misbehaves, it's therefore interesting that you've had so many people comment on how you should discipline him, and also interesting that you're so defensive about the whole issue. Oooops, that's just more of my thoughtless spew...sorry.

Garnet, are you retarded on purpose, or is it a complete accident?

At no point did she say anything remotely similar to that. Let me check to be sure... Yup, turns out she said the exact opposite...

Originally Posted by case

If I am in public and my kid screeches at the top of his lungs, no, there is no way around it. I can't go back in time and make it not happen. Of course, since I know how to handle it, my kid doesn't do that very often. Yes, kids will be kids.

Now, I'm perfectly happy letting you two go at it, but that kid is my kid too, and I don't take FUCKING KINDLY to veiled insults against him.

Edit: bolded the part Garnet is extraordinarily fucking likely to miss.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by perth

Garnet, are you retarded on purpose, or is it a complete accident?

At no point did she say anything remotely similar to that. Let me check to be sure... Yup, turns out she said the exact opposite...


Now, I'm perfectly happy letting you two go at it, but that kid is my kid too, and I don't take FUCKING KINDLY to veiled insults against him.

Edit: bolded the part Garnet is extraordinarily fucking likely to miss.

Awww, such hostility. Ooooh, and the big bad F word too. Do you use that kind of language around your kid too? I knew you guys were getting defensive for a reason....

[perth]

Yup, that's me, hostile and defensive. You just go ahead and ignore what a person says in favour of twisting it to fit into whatever nasty agenda you may have. Hope that works out for you.

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by garnet

Sorry, but there's nothing we can do about the asshole who's had too much to drink at the bar and gets loud, or the people who cut you off in traffic.

Apparently there is nothing we can do about ranting morons, either.

Originally Posted by garnet

You said you kid rarely misbehaves, it's therefore interesting that you've had so many people comment on how you should discipline him, and also interesting that you're so defensive about the whole issue. Oooops, that's just more of my thoughtless spew...sorry.

Yep, more thoughtless spew. It's what I have come to expect from you based on your posts here and in other forums. Rarely do we actually see thought behind your posts. It's beyond defensiveness...it's just that I don't respond well to emptyheaded ranting.

And asking perth about his vocabulary around his kid is the kind of thing that IS none of your business. I thought you had acknowledged that in an earlier post. Have you forgotten?

[garnet]

Originally Posted by case

Apparently there is nothing we can do about ranting morons, either.

Yeah, name calling from both you and perth. That's real mature. And you know, honey, you and perth were the ones doing the ranting here. My comments just seemed to hit a little too close to home, and you both flipped out.

Originally Posted by case

Rarely do we actually see thought behind your posts. It's beyond defensiveness...it's just that I don't respond well to emptyheaded ranting.

Ahhh, more name calling--very constructive. And how many of my posts have you read, sweetie? Oh sure, let's go back and bitch about how I defended PETA when I first joined this forum. Funny, I haven't seen a post from anyone about PETA since then. I've never even seen you on this forum before, and if I did your posts were so banal that I can't remember who you are or what you said.

Originally Posted by case

And asking perth about his vocabulary around his kid is the kind of thing that IS none of your business.

Actually, I find both his language and both of your tempers quite telling. Just a guess, but I'm thinking the fact that you both resorted to name calling and foul language over a post from a stranger on some internet forum shows that you've both got anger issues. If ya show it here, I'm betting it's not too far from the surface at home either. I feel sorry for your kid--and I bet there's good reason why he's biting eveyone in sight. [waiting for perth to defend case now...]

[perth]

Originally Posted by garnet

My comments just seemed to hit a little too close to home, and you both flipped out.

Well, Duh. You insulted a 3-year-old. A 3-year-old you've never met. Good for you, you must feel real tough.

Originally Posted by garnet

Oh sure, let's go back and bitch about how I defended PETA when I first joined this forum

Are you still carrying that cross?

Originally Posted by garnet

and I bet there's good reason why he's biting eveyone in sight.

Again with the insults aimed at a 3-year-old, one you've never met. Am I behaving maturely? Maybe, maybe not. But at least I know the difference.

[jane_says]

Perhaps the reason you haven't seen other PETA threads since you finally shut up about it is that no one else gives a shit. No, on second thought, I'm certain that's the reason.

Why don't you find someplace else to post where your interests more closely match the other posters? It seems that nearly every thread you voice your shrill opinion in turns into a trainwreck. Much of the time it seems obvious you're just trolling. Are you so starved for attention that any kind of attention is better than none at all?

I have to wonder - if you were seated on the patio of a restaurant, would a barking dog nearby cause you as much distress as a crying child? Or crows cawing? And who should take care of that to ensure your digestion isn't affected?

Don't like kids, don't want to be around the racket? Don't get pregnant and don't work at a daycare. Any incidental contact you have with children beyond that, regardless of their behavior, is something you can't control. Either live with it or stay home.