Question about rims and intelligence

[glatt]

I don't get the whole car thing. It's just a car. A thing. A necessary evil to get you from one place to another. Put as little money into it as possible to keep it running smoothly. Think about it as little as possible. Work on it as little as possible.

When I was a teenager, I liked cars, and got all the car magazines. Then I grew up.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by glatt

When I was a teenager, I liked cars, and got all the car magazines. Then I grew up.

No, then you grew old. :p

Nice rims on a rough car can be a poor sense of priorities, however there is another possibility. The guy (usually a guy) may be planning on fixing the car up, either restoring or customizing it. The normal route is to do all the mechanicals and safety items first, then the body and paint, lastly the interior and trim. Usually these projects are done on a budget and it seems like it will never be done. To the guy that's gotten bloody knuckles most every weekend for months(years) and doesn't see any progress even though he knows how much he's accomplished, a new set of wheels can be a boost.

Oh,... and maybe he stole the wheels.

[jane_says]

This is one of my pet peeves. I hate, hate, HATE car people and their stupid crappy rims, whether they're on a $500 car or a $50,000 car. I hate low riders. I hate big trucks with big tires. I hate rice burners. I hate car clubs. I hate stereo competitions. I hate it all. To me a car is simply transportation. I cannot understand all the bullshit that goes along with the "car culture". I don't think it's because I'm getting older, either. I'm 29 and I thought it was stupid when I was in high school.
This could have something to do with the fact that I live in a fairly rural area and "car clubs" are all over. I can't go through the fucking Wendy's drive-through on a Friday night without being ogled and hooted at by a bunch of seventeen-year-old asshats and their sorry-ass, mama's boy forty-year-old counterparts.
I remember when my sister brought one of those inbred fucktards home to meet my parents in a truck that could not have been four inches off the ground. My dad said "Boy, I hate to tell you this, but if you hit a possum in that thing it'll be totalled."

[tw]

Originally Posted by jane_says

... I hate low riders. I hate big trucks with big tires. I hate rice burners. I hate car clubs. I hate stereo competitions. I hate it all. To me a car is simply transportation. I cannot understand all the bullshit that goes along with the "car culture".

Properly noted are examples of misplaced intelligence. For example, the hood ornament once had purpose. It enabled the driver to open and refill a hot radiator. No longer required. So why is it still there to gore pedestrians? For the same reasons that some brag about the size of their penis?

What is the rear spoiler for? It does nothing because cars just dont go fast enough. But the mentally challenged among us think it is 'cool' to spend $400 just to have a chunk of plastic that obstructs rear view visibility.

Why mufflers that make a car sound like a low performance vehicle (ie Harley)? Again many fail to first learn facts. More noise means the engine now has less power to wheels. Lower gas mileage. And yet these fools actually 'feel' it creates more power. Why? They 'feel' it has more power because they feel the noise. Missionaries for the church of mental inferiority. They hear more noise. Therefore the car must be more powerful. One can only pity those financially poor perverts who have yet to learn how to think for themselves.

The same can be said of chrome, V-8 engines, SUVs that sit so high as to increase road fatalities by 11% (HumVees are not designed that way because HumVees are for the intelligent off road drivers), windshield wipers that use two blades per arm, and neon undercarriage lighting. Somehow style to no benefit is more important no matter what the cost.

I see some CA entrepenuer laughing all the way to the bank about making his first million on fools who spend everything on wide tires and chrome plated rims.

Yes it is rather interesting to see a monster truck - little body atop tires that are larger than the truck. Impressionistic art is also interesting when done right. However that is only for looks and shows. Why waste so much money on basic transportation when it does nothing but say, "I have no values?"

Well there are people who have no brain and no values. Just like the girl with a pierced face. It makes the "public" interesting and individualistic much like circus freak shows. I don't condemn them for trying something different - for learning by making mistakes. Its called fun - nothing more. As long as they realize that all fun - ie casino gambling - is about throwing money away just for fun. As long as it is fun and as long as they do have the disposable income to pay for that fun; not at the expense of a 1 year old child.

[jdbutler]

Spinning wheels = Rolling advertisement for crack salesman.

[glatt]

Hey, tw, that's a good post.

[Bullitt]

Well i guess someone has to stand up for these people and i guess itll be me. I love everything about cars. Especially driving a stick shift. It's like having your own personal roller coaster really. These people, along w/ myself, enjoy customizing and messin w/ their cars because thats what they love do, its their hooby, their lifestyle. And driving is fun! Ya'll sound like those people who complain about boring sex. Its just somthing you do to get it overwith and done. You have to make it fun by changin it up and MAKING it fun.

Now granted, I think some of this stuff is pure crap like the spoilers for front wheel drive cars and resonators for lil 4 bangers that only put out 120 hp, and POS's that have rims that are worth more than the car, blah blah blah. But its all part of the culture of car customization and if you don't respect it, then you have no right to criticize it. Period.

Personally, I own a '03 Civic stick and i love driving that thing. And ( i know ill never hear the end of this) I have a blue neon underbody kit on it (the car is silver w/ a black nose bra). SO WHAT? Does that make me less of a person, an underling compared to everyone else who just drives their car and gets it over with? No it doesn't. It just makes me a person who enjoys making his car look a bit different and fun looking than all the rest of the cars out there. Its my hobby, my passion, and I don't appreciatte unwarranted, uninformed attacks on it.

Let my flaming begin.. bring it on.

[russotto]

Originally Posted by glatt

Hey, tw, that's a good post.

Well, it's technically incorrect on a few points. But at least it's fairly short.

[xoxoxoBruce]

More noise means the engine now has less power to wheels. Lower gas mileage. And yet these fools actually 'feel' it creates more power.

I agree with most of your post but that point is not necessarily true. Factory exhaust systems are designed with many compromises. Maximum performance requires low (but some) backpressure and preventing the exhaust pulses from the individual cylinders from interfering with each other. I could expound until everyone falls asleep, but that’s not nice.

The funny thing about the Harleys is that straight pipes (no mufflers) will reduce horsepower about 12%.

Back on thread, most cops will determine if you actually came to a full stop, at a stop sign, by watching the front wheel. Spinning wheels may get you a ticket.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I agree with most of your post but that point is not necessarily true. ... Maximum performance requires low (but some) backpressure and preventing the exhaust pulses from the individual cylinders from interfering with each other.

If the exhaust pulses interfere with each other, then you have MORE noise and LESS engine horsepower. Again, more noise means less performance.

For those who want to throw a grenade into the mix - yes an Indy car has better performance and makes more noise. But which Indy cars have higher performance? The ones that make less noise. All else being equivalent - less noise means a better car, more horsepower, less pollution, longer vehicle life, etc. But you cannot tell that to the fools who just know more noise means a 'cool' car. So just laugh at them. They don't even remember principles taught in junior high school science.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by tw

Why waste so much money on basic transportation when it does nothing but say, "I have no values?"

Well there are people who have no brain and no values. Just like the girl with a pierced face. It makes the "public" interesting and individualistic much like circus freak shows. I don't condemn them for trying something different - for learning by making mistakes. Its called fun - nothing more. As long as they realize that all fun - ie casino gambling - is about throwing money away just for fun. As long as it is fun and as long as they do have the disposable income to pay for that fun; not at the expense of a 1 year old child.

Am I a circus freak who throws away money on somthing i love instead of some obscure 1 year old child that I have idea where you got from? Is having a hobby a mistake? Do I have no values because i love tinkering w/ my car and driving in a fun manner? I think you're being the ignorant one here bud. Maybe you should um, not talk about cars anymore because apparently you don't have any respect for this culture. It's no different than people who customize their computers, customize thier HOUSE, or their f'ing wardrobe for that matter. I think you just thought you found an easy target to pick on and you took advantage of it. (insert old man voice) Those dumbass street racers who got no repsect, blah blah blah.

Think what you want pal. Meanwhile, i'll keep "throwing my money away" on somthing that makes me happy.

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, then you grew old. :p

Nice rims on a rough car can be a poor sense of priorities, however there is another possibility. The guy (usually a guy) may be planning on fixing the car up, either restoring or customizing it. The normal route is to do all the mechanicals and safety items first, then the body and paint, lastly the interior and trim. Usually these projects are done on a budget and it seems like it will never be done. To the guy that's gotten bloody knuckles most every weekend for months(years) and doesn't see any progress even though he knows how much he's accomplished, a new set of wheels can be a boost.

Oh,... and maybe he stole the wheels.

Well, the car's been a piece of crap for at least six months, so I don't know if he's working on it or not.


Jane Says: This is one of my pet peeves. I hate, hate, HATE car people and their stupid crappy rims, whether they're on a $500 car or a $50,000 car. I hate low riders. I hate big trucks with big tires. I hate rice burners. I hate car clubs. I hate stereo competitions. I hate it all. To me a car is simply transportation. I cannot understand all the bullshit that goes along with the "car culture". I don't think it's because I'm getting older, either. I'm 29 and I thought it was stupid when I was in high school.
This could have something to do with the fact that I live in a fairly rural area and "car clubs" are all over. I can't go through the fucking Wendy's drive-through on a Friday night without being ogled and hooted at by a bunch of seventeen-year-old asshats and their sorry-ass, mama's boy forty-year-old counterparts.
I remember when my sister brought one of those inbred fucktards home to meet my parents in a truck that could not have been four inches off the ground. My dad said "Boy, I hate to tell you this, but if you hit a possum in that thing it'll be totalled."


I agree. To me, a car is transportation. All I'm worried about is whether or not it runs and is safe. When I see those spinning rims (yes, these are the ones that spin independently of the tires), all I think is, "y'know, I could've paid my rent for two months for what he paid for those." Spending that kind of money on a toy is just, I don't know, ANNOYING.


TW: Properly noted are examples of misplaced intelligence. For example, the hood ornament once had purpose. It enabled the driver to open and refill a hot radiator. No longer required. So why is it still there to gore pedestrians? For the same reasons that some brag about the size of their penis?

What is the rear spoiler for? It does nothing because cars just dont go fast enough. But the mentally challenged among us think it is 'cool' to spend $400 just to have a chunk of plastic that obstructs rear view visibility.

Why mufflers that make a car sound like a low performance vehicle (ie Harley)? Again many fail to first learn facts. More noise means the engine now has less power to wheels. Lower gas mileage. And yet these fools actually 'feel' it creates more power. Why? They 'feel' it has more power because they feel the noise. Missionaries for the church of mental inferiority. They hear more noise. Therefore the car must be more powerful. One can only pity those financially poor perverts who have yet to learn how to think for themselves.

The same can be said of chrome, V-8 engines, SUVs that sit so high as to increase road fatalities by 11% (HumVees are not designed that way because HumVees are for the intelligent off road drivers), windshield wipers that use two blades per arm, and neon undercarriage lighting. Somehow style to no benefit is more important no matter what the cost.

I see some CA entrepenuer laughing all the way to the bank about making his first million on fools who spend everything on wide tires and chrome plated rims.

Yes it is rather interesting to see a monster truck - little body atop tires that are larger than the truck. Impressionistic art is also interesting when done right. However that is only for looks and shows. Why waste so much money on basic transportation when it does nothing but say, "I have no values?"


Spoilers, I agree, are a dumb waste of money. The loud mufflers are just annoying, and the monster trucks just look stupid to me. Those loud-ass stereos are the pinnacle of "shoot me, because I'm too annoying to live" car things. I absolutely HATE those things. There is absolutely no reason to rattle cars a mile ahead of you. It just makes people hate you and talk about how stupid you are. A good stereo is one thing--but there's no need to aggravate everyone else within a two-mile radius.

A cop friend of mine once gave a guy a ticket for a too-loud stereo. He was sitting in waffle house having coffee, and the guy drove up--every window in the place was vibrating. The guy came in, stared pointedly at my friend, sat down, ate, paid his ticket. When he went to leave, he got in his car, and, pointedly looking at the cop again, cranked the stereo up all the way. My friend went out there and promptly wrote him a ticket for violating the noise ordinance. So this guy gets an attitude, saying, and I quote, "you just doin' this because you don't like a black guy having a good stereo." My friend said, "if you have enough money to buy that stereo, you've got enough money to pay this ticket." End of story. He was going to give him a pass, but the guy did it intentionally, staring at the cop as if daring him to do something about it.

Well, he did, and I applaud him.

Sidhe

[xoxoxoBruce]

Spending that kind of money on a toy is just, I don't know, ANNOYING.

Whoa Nellie! What the hell is that about? Jealousy of his money? Criticism of his choices? Censorship of his budget?
In spite of what Bush and Ridge are doing this is still a free country, and I'll defend to the first band-aid, his right to buy toys with his money.