Abortion Debate

headsplice · 08-23-2004, 04:03 PM

Oy. I had a three hour discussion on the UofM campus about this with some hardcore pro-lifers. They had reasonable arguments, except for the fact that they based them all on the concept that we all had a 'natural' and shared moral outlook. They couldn't understand that the morality they believed in was socially constructed.

Pie · 08-23-2004, 04:19 PM

Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

No, abstinance doesn't count. Rape still causes pregnancies.

A child should be a choice -- a positive one, not a negative one!

- Pie

ladysycamore · 08-23-2004, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

Amen. Choice, choice, choice! Pro-choice, childfree by choice...choices is what makes this country great...well, as good as it's gonna get (since nothing is perfect).

DanaC · 08-24-2004, 09:48 AM

Compel a woman to carry a child to term and you reduce her in effect to an incubator. I can totally understand the distress abortion causes to those who disagree with it. It's not a pretty thing and the manner in which it is carried out often leaves a lot to be desired ....once a feotus ( or baby) is capable of experiencing pain then precautions must be taken to ensure the abortion is painless and swift but we should not confuse a working set of nerves with a consiousness.

It's a tough one really and even someone who is ardently pro choice as I am, would no doubt be much moved by the sight of an aborted feotus which displays the beginnings of life in movement. At no point though should that little life take precedence over the woman's bodily freedoms. As beautiful and viable as that baby may be it is not yet a conscious being and should not be afforded rights at the expense of a thinking and feeling human.

perth · 08-24-2004, 10:11 AM

So when does consciousness start?

OnyxCougar · 02-08-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

No, abstinance doesn't count. Rape still causes pregnancies.

A child should be a choice -- a positive one, not a negative one!

- Pie

You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

elf · 02-08-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

100% infalliable birth control would have to be not only perfectly effective, but as acceptable, accessable, and inexpensive as Tylenol. And you'd only have to take it one time, until the point in time when you wish to conceive - then you take a just-as-effective antidote.

If only. . .

08-23-2004, 04:03 PM	#1
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	Oy. I had a three hour discussion on the UofM campus about this with some hardcore pro-lifers. They had reasonable arguments, except for the fact that they based them all on the concept that we all had a 'natural' and shared moral outlook. They couldn't understand that the morality they believed in was socially constructed. __________________ Don't Panic

08-23-2004, 04:19 PM	#2
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance. No, abstinance doesn't count. Rape still causes pregnancies. A child should be a choice -- a positive one, not a negative one! - Pie __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

08-24-2004, 09:48 AM	#4
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Compel a woman to carry a child to term and you reduce her in effect to an incubator. I can totally understand the distress abortion causes to those who disagree with it. It's not a pretty thing and the manner in which it is carried out often leaves a lot to be desired ....once a feotus ( or baby) is capable of experiencing pain then precautions must be taken to ensure the abortion is painless and swift but we should not confuse a working set of nerves with a consiousness. It's a tough one really and even someone who is ardently pro choice as I am, would no doubt be much moved by the sight of an aborted feotus which displays the beginnings of life in movement. At no point though should that little life take precedence over the woman's bodily freedoms. As beautiful and viable as that baby may be it is not yet a conscious being and should not be afforded rights at the expense of a thinking and feeling human.

08-24-2004, 10:11 AM	#5
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	So when does consciousness start?

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