Iranian missile test

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by tw

In short, it takes the full resources of a nation's government to make a bomb sufficient to be a terrorist weapon.

Clearly a nuclear bomb in the hands of terrorists is almost impossible.

hmm, if only there were a former super power who built incredible stock piles of nuclear weapons before collapsing... and after they collapsed couldn't afford to pay their top scientists and many military officers... and if only that former super power had borders like a sieve... and only if there was someone with large sums of money, but no nuclear weapon who was willing to pay former scientists and military officers for a nuclear weapon...

nah, you're right tw, its almost impossible. so sleep tight tonight. i know it takes a lot of energy to dig up the conspiracy theories you have. careful though, i think "george jr" is on to you.

Thank you for the explanation, TW. I see why the former miners of Naturita have been pretty much left to their own devises as they die of various forms of radiation induced cancer. I'd been wondering about that. George Jr. would probably love the plot line anyhow, though.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

nah, you're right tw, its almost impossible. so sleep tight tonight. i know it takes a lot of energy to dig up the conspiracy theories you have. careful though, i think "george jr" is on to you.

Please feel free to list all the missing and unaccounted nuclear weapons. Of course there is no accounting for every nuclear weapon as required by the Disarment Treaties. Clearly there are plenty of nuclear weapons just stilling around unaccounted for waiting to some terrorist to walk by and pickup. Clearly anyone could steal a nuclear device and no one would even know.

Or maybe you never learned how disarment among the cold war nations works. Nations routinely submit to an accounting of their nuclear weapons. Where is this one weapon that some rogue sicentist walks out the door with in his brief case? And how is it that this man also has the codes necessary to arm the weapon? Which Jame Bond book are you citing this time as proof that you are world saavy?

[lookout123]

tw - you pull out tons of irrefutable "research" to support whatever the topic is, write a dozen paragraphs on it so that most people won't even read the damn thing and then shut the book, like what you write is the damn bible. remember your bullshit theory on mutual funds? oh wait - when i provided hard fact you walked away and discontinued posting.

do you honestly believe that no nuclear materials, warheads, etc have gone or could go missing? you don't trust the goverment but you trust disarmament agreements and inspections 10-20 years down the road? you trust that everyone was on the level as far as the numbers of weapons that they disclosed?

we bought migs and tanks from the russians while the cold war was still in high gear, and they bought our weapons and research and materials during the same period. do you honestly believe that it is impossible for nuclear weapons to disappear if someone has the $$$ to motivate a low paid schlup with no future?

[Troubleshooter]

Just to cover a couple bits of ground here:

Size of nuclear weapons; see:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...itions/vla.htm

Size and possible availability of nuclear payloads, whether recovered or purchased:
http://www.lostsubs.com/Soviet.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/m...row/shkval.htm
"Apparently fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes, Shkval has a range of about 7,500 yards. The weapon clears the tube at fifty knots, upon which its rocket fires, propelling the missile through the water at 360 kph [about 100 m/sec / 230 mph / 200-knots], three or four times as fast as conventional torpedoes. The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles. Carrying a tactical nuclear warhead initiated by a timer, it would destroy the hostile submarine and the torpedo it fired. The Shkval high-speed underwater missile is guided by an auto-pilot rather than by a homing head as on most torpedoes."

Just something to ponder.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

tw - you pull out tons of irrefutable "research" to support whatever the topic is, write a dozen paragraphs on it so that most people won't even read the damn thing and then shut the book, like what you write is the damn bible. remember your bullshit theory on mutual funds? oh wait - when i provided hard fact you walked away and discontinued posting.

Apparently the difference between us is that I don't get my experience from fiction books. Posted were facts commonly reported in major publications. It requires reading more than one page. Daily News and Fox News consumers will find everything here new which is why they will be skeptical. But those who come from where the work gets done have long taken special care that this most obvious possibility - a terrorist atomic weapon - will never happen. Its called the lessons of history. When it is that obvious and that destructive, then it just does not happen. Unless leadership is so corrupt as to not even read a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US". Remember that little fact from the 9/11 Commission report that you did not read and therefore denied? You could not deny it, did not like the fact, so instead you took a snide insult at this poster. IOW I then knew you have a problem with first learning reality.

When one cannot challenge the facts, then one instead questons the messenger's integrity. Rather than reply to numerical relationships as posted, instead there is some silly proof that mutual funds outperform stocks by exampling some selected mutual funds. Even Peter Lynch, the most famous mutual fund manager, says that common stock ownership provides a better return than mutual funds or bonds. More facts that you do not refute.

Stated up front for so many reasons (you admit you cannot read them all) are numerous reasons why a terrorist nuclear attack is all but non-existant. All one need do is steal one, transport it, and explode it anywhere? Its that easy? Who writes this stuff?

Please feel free to teach us how easy it is to build, steal, transport, arm, and trigger a nuclear device. Anyone who knows mutual funds are superior also knows one need only press a button to trigger a nuclear device. Clearly so easy that any fiction writer even can explain it.

Just another reason such terrorist attack is so unlikely. The US government, at least during Clinton's time, was actively 'gaming' so that such events would not happen. IE. "... a terrorist group called the FBI and announced that it had a nuclear weapon in Washington. The report went on to state that the joint Energy-Defense search team, acting on a tip from the Coast Guard, located the weapons in a cabin cruiser tied up in a yacht club less than two miles from the White House." Of course you knew?

Obvious and tested threats are rarely the challenge. Threats that are unique or unknown - especially those that the president (should have) reads on 6 Aug and ignores - are the greatest threat. Terrorist with nuclear weapons in this generation is just not possbile without a major worldwide disruption - such as a president so ignorant of the world to alienate Pakistan or India.

Please demonstrate how one can steal a nuclear weapon. Steal arming codes. Do this without being detected so that the entire world is not looking for that weapon - especially a weapons that advertises its existance. Maintain that weapon so that it remains operational. Transport that weapon across national boundaries that are security hyped. Do all this with hundreds of operatives that all remain completely undetected. Of course his only repeats what was posted before and what you could not answer (instead disparaging this poster). For this attack to happen, one needs an American President such as pre - 11 September George Jr; who outrightly suspended anti-terrorism programs that were active, ongoing, and successful during the Clinton era.

Terrorists can obtain, deliver, and activate nuclear weapons only because you know. Sounds more like business school reasoning to me. So let's see. You cannot provide a single valid reason why terrorist could obtain a nuclear device. Instead some wild speculation that Russia does not keep track of its nukes. You just know this which is sufficient as proof.

So tell us - on what day will George Jr launch his attack on Iran? A question to see if Outlook123 first reads what he replies to. A long list of reasons why terrorists will not obtain nukes was listed. Outlook123 never bothered to challenge any of them. He just knows they are wrong because Fox News told him otherwise?