personhood

henry quirk · 10-09-2019, 02:54 PM

Well then, I guess I'll put you in the 'bestowed' category (cuz, obviously, you don't think personhood is intrinsic [or, as a category, special]).

Flint · 10-09-2019, 04:02 PM

You could say that a deterministic universe makes everything intrinsic, but something as ephemeral as the "true nature of person-hood" is so many layers abstracted from the deterministic substrate, it's difficult even to suggest that we're bestowing something we're intrinsically determined to bestow.

I do think that's possible, but it would mean the main category of "un-person" is neuro-atypical individuals.

henry quirk · 10-09-2019, 06:18 PM

There are definitions of 'person' that would definitely put certain folks into the category of 'un-' or 'non-' person.

Seems to me, however, these definitions fall under 'bestowed' (the recognition of qualities or characteristics in one by another) rather than 'intrinsic' (sumthin' inherent in one that exists independent of another's recognition).

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10-09-2019, 02:54 PM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	Well then, I guess I'll put you in the 'bestowed' category. Well then, I guess I'll put you in the 'bestowed' category (cuz, obviously, you don't think personhood is intrinsic [or, as a category, special]). __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

10-09-2019, 04:02 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You could say that a deterministic universe makes everything intrinsic, but something as ephemeral as the "true nature of person-hood" is so many layers abstracted from the deterministic substrate, it's difficult even to suggest that we're bestowing something we're intrinsically determined to bestow. I do think that's possible, but it would mean the main category of "un-person" is neuro-atypical individuals. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-09-2019, 06:18 PM	#3
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"it would mean the main category of "un-person" is neuro-atypical individuals." There are definitions of 'person' that would definitely put certain folks into the category of 'un-' or 'non-' person. Seems to me, however, these definitions fall under 'bestowed' (the recognition of qualities or characteristics in one by another) rather than 'intrinsic' (sumthin' inherent in one that exists independent of another's recognition). __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

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