WWJK: Who would Jesus Kill - Military supplier adds bible references to rifle sights

[Bullitt]

Ok MRE packaging was a bad example since they're government produced. How about on the bottles of Tobasco included in those meals then? Think that would cause a similar sensation?

The biggest problem here is the media IMO. "Firm ending Bible references on guns"-CNN, "No More Jesus Rifles"-ABC, "Company to Remove Bible References From Combat Rifles"-FOX, "'Jesus Guns': Two More Countries Rethink Using Weapons with Secret Bible References "-ABC. They're not on the guns, they're on something completely harmless. Not the guns. Completely irresponsible and sensational reporting is making this into some huge issue, when a number of service members have known about these references for years already.

[Griff]

The rifle thing probably does have traction because of the apparent perversion of Christ's message and the anti-gun notions of many reporters.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Maybe we could have a Scopes Honky trial?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

Bruce gets it agrees with me.

Because "A" is true, doesn't necessarily mean that the inverse of "A" is false.

Fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by Redux

They imply light is provided through Jesus Christ.
...

Or that Jesus is the light:

Originally Posted by DanaC

John:8:12 “When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, ‘I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.’”...

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Ok MRE packaging was a bad example since they're government produced. How about on the bottles of Tobasco included in those meals then? Think that would cause a similar sensation?

The biggest problem here is the media IMO. "Firm ending Bible references on guns"-CNN, "No More Jesus Rifles"-ABC, "Company to Remove Bible References From Combat Rifles"-FOX, "'Jesus Guns': Two More Countries Rethink Using Weapons with Secret Bible References "-ABC. They're not on the guns, they're on something completely harmless. Not the guns. Completely irresponsible and sensational reporting is making this into some huge issue, when a number of service members have known about these references for years already.

What if MREs had something made by Proctor and Gamble in them, with this image:


Who be the crybaby then? Who would be creating a shit storm then? christian fundies, that's who.

I heard that the letters/numbers referred to passages in the koran that spoke of killing christians.

[lookout123]

I'm personally offended that that every single bottle of tobasco used in chow halls and MRE's for the past 20 years has been marked Kosher. I'm not jewish and I find it offensive.

[TheMercenary]

This whole story is stupid and has very little traction among the troops. They could give a shit. Is it sighted properly and will I hit my target is a much more important question. There is no story here.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

I'm personally offended that that every single bottle of tobasco used in chow halls and MRE's for the past 20 years has been marked Kosher. I'm not jewish and I find it offensive.

Fuckin' crybaby

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Fixed that for you.

Or that Jesus is the light:





What if MREs had something made by Proctor and Gamble in them, with this image:


Who be the crybaby then? Who would be creating a shit storm then? christian fundies, that's who.

I heard that the letters/numbers referred to passages in the koran that spoke of killing christians.

I really hope you don't actually buy into that P&G hoax... anyone who does is an idiot.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

I really hope you don't actually buy into that P&G hoax... anyone who does is an idiot.

No.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Really, Pico?

It just sounds so wrong to put a bible verse on a killing machine. This is what really pisses me off about some Christians....everything is justified conveniently away.

"He teacheth my hands to war... I have pursued mine enemies and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed." Psalms 18:34, 37 -- that end of that lengthy, variegated Psalm is not all sweetness and light, is it?

"To everything there is a season... A time to kill and a time to heal...A time to love and a time to hate; a time of war and a time of peace..." Ecclesiastes 3 is a mighty fine chapter about perspective, and having it.

I'm not saying these could not be found distasteful; I reckon the writers found it distasteful in their far time too. You can find as many horrors as beauties written in the Bible -- and what is this but a reflection of life itself? The Bible has some rich veins of philosophy, right there for the mining.

I think you could stand to have a more mature understanding of that which is in the Bible. Its tales run from the mystical to the ethereal to earthy to bloody to legalistic to historic to, well, science fiction from Patmos -- all over the place. If someone decorates the tools of blood with a bloody sort of inscription drawn therefrom, is there cause for complaint? I don't think so.

"Justified conveniently"? A common -- too common -- complaint among those with but secondhand knowledge of Christianity -- but not one in the end much borne out. It's more the Bible observing that bad things happen, and sometimes to good people too. It may go on to chronicle what somebody did about them.

Are you going to complain about the Bible being a tool of oppression? Fah. It's quite like a gun: the very properties that make it useful as an oppressor's tool are the properties you can use as a tool to break that oppression and the oppressor with it -- "...as on the day of Midian."

[Urbane Guerrilla]

It's vegetables: it's parve. :p

[glatt]

UG, if you used the quote function, we might have a better chance of following you.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Hee Hee...is there an appropriate bible verse for that?

More than one. Heck, you can use the whole Song of Solomon as a stroke book. Really.

Now likening somebody's tummy to a heap of wheat, okay, that's a little out there in simile land for me... but no one could say the Song of Solomon was the writing of a eunuch. It was written by somebody who could spooge.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by glatt

UG, if you used the quote function, we might have a better chance of following you.

True, Glatt... didn't think how long this thread was -- think I can still edit something in. And Tabasco cain't be nuthin' but parve.

Aaand fixed up. Pico's post was bottom of first page.

[piercehawkeye45]

First, this is about image and not a "who cares" issue. Ever since the United States began its "war on terror", it has at least attempted to make sure it was not taken as a "war against Islam". They do this because it will much easier for terrorist groups to recruit new members if they can convince people that the US is attempting to wipe out their [Muslims] life and religion, and not just fighting terrorists.

Yes, it is true that these verses really have no effect on US soldiers. Yes, it is true that this company has been putting these on before the "war on terror". Yes, bible versus probably can be found other places in the US Army. But, terrorist recruiters will NEVER bring that up when showing this to others and terrorist recruits will never consider those legitimate arguments either. So, if it is such a non-issue, then why the hell would you keep them on when they can be used as effective propaganda to recruit terrorists against the US?