Vegan no more

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

He doesn't like it when I chew; strangely enough. lol

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Anyway, better stop talking about this. Apparently I'm getting a reputation.

Ya know, ya don't just get a reputation, ya gotta earn it.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Juniper

Seriously, inquiring minds want to know. If you are a vegetarian, can you swallow, you-know-what?

Not that I would anyway. Yuck.

I'm no vegetarian, but I'll go ahead and guess that it would be OK for them. Vegans on the other hand...probably not.

[gvidas]

I've posed the question to fairly dedicated vegan friends before. The deciding factor is consent. Food animals are unable to give consent, whereas BJ recipients are generally on board with everything that is going to happen.

[bluecuracao]

So...would a vegan eat human meat if they crashed in, say, the Andes Mountains, and a dying fellow traveler said it would be okay?

[Undertoad]

Vegans should eat cum and breast milk in large quantities if they want to stay healthy.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Juniper

I've given this some thought. What I finally came up with was that: 1.) there is no possible way to live without hurting other animal species. and 2.) every living thing has to die eventually anyhow, so it might as well nourish another.

The late Peter Capstick put it more briefly: Everything dies and is eaten. As a professional hunter and safari outfitter, he saw more of that up close than many.

All life springs from death and dissolution -- into the furtherance of life. Veganism is for citified people who, well, are at odds with ecology in general.

(Shudder) Not for me, thank you. I much prefer chowing down on a vegetarian recipe than listening to the half-educated drivel that seems so much of veggie-and-beyond-veggie philosophy.

Some may be more comfortable devouring something that is highly unlikely to actually notice you devouring it, but I've never seen that that would make moral odds in light of the above.

[footfootfoot]

That's my chief objection to veganism as a moral eating choice. It is based on a hierarchy where the closer something resembles me the more value it has and the less it resembles me the less value it has.

I think what makes it the most suspect is that the moral outrage about killing is really a thinly veiled attempt at self validation.

[toranokaze]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I have known healthy vegans, but they were very careful to eat specific foods to make sure they got all the required nutrients, and took multi-vitamins as a backup.

And I saw via 2 or 3 degrees of separation on facebook, someone cancelling their raw food stall at a festival because of ... yup, you guessed it ... food poisoning. Sure, cooking may beat up a few vitamins, but it also kicks the crap out of E-coli.

Cooking food unlocks the nutrients if a form of predigestion similar to how a fly uses its saliva to liquidity its food. We humans cook our food to help in the digestion process that is why we have the smallest stomachs (proportionally) to all the other primates.

[xoxoxoBruce]

...that is why we have the smallest stomachs (proportionally) to all the other primates.

Speak for yourself... and pass that cow.

[casimendocina]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

So...would a vegan eat human meat if they crashed in, say, the Andes Mountains, and a dying fellow traveler said it would be okay?

Thread drift: For me the amazing/impacting thing about the soccer team who crashed in the Andes was the fact that they walked out of there after 10 weeks of minimal food and that with the little energy they had left, they managed it, even though it took them 10 days. The eating dead bodies is barely a blip on my radar compared with the enormous physical feat that the two of them achieved. Their families and the families of those who died would have much preferred that at least some of them made it back, rather than all of them dying because they were breaking a social taboo. Having said that, I'm not sure if I would be able to in a similar situation.

[casimendocina]

Originally Posted by Juniper

Seriously, inquiring minds want to know. If you are a vegetarian, can you swallow, you-know-what?

And if a Jewish vegetarian, what then?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by casimendocina

Thread drift: For me the amazing/impacting thing about the soccer team who crashed in the Andes was the fact that they walked out of there after 10 weeks of minimal food and that with the little energy they had left, they managed it, even though it took them 10 days. The eating dead bodies is barely a blip on my radar compared with the enormous physical feat that the two of them achieved. Their families and the families of those who died would have much preferred that at least some of them made it back, rather than all of them dying because they were breaking a social taboo. Having said that, I'm not sure if I would be able to in a similar situation.

Human beings surprise themselves every day with the wonderful, brutal, and horrific things they can do when there's no other choice.

[Juniper]

Originally Posted by casimendocina

And if a Jewish vegetarian, what then?

What's that got to do with it? Men are pigs?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oink, Baybeee.

[Pete Zicato]

"Ah! You have made a common mistake here...what you have there is a beet and you have confused it with food. Food is something like a ham sandwich or a bowl of chile."
- Paul Hinrichs

One of my favorite usenet quotes.