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Undertoad 11-20-2010 01:41 AM

Vegan no more
 
Excellent blog entry about getting your head back together when you learn your beliefs aren't what they turned out to be.

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Many of you know that I have recently been struggling for the first time in my life with health problems. When I discovered that my problems were a direct result of my vegan diet I was devastated. 2 months ago, after learning the hard way that not everyone is capable of maintaining their health as a vegan, I made one of the most difficult decisions of my life and gave up veganism and returned to eating an omnivorous diet. My health immediately returned. This experience has been humbling, eye-opening, and profoundly transformative. To hear the whole story just keep reading…

xoxoxoBruce 11-20-2010 02:26 AM

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I wanted desperately for it to be right, for my ethics to outweigh my physiology.
Not the first time misguided ethics have hurt the individual, but at least she was only hurting herself... except for her vegan flatulence.

Sundae 11-20-2010 08:22 AM

Many vegans live healthy lives, but I respect her in the same way I respect meat-lovers who become vegetarian for specific health issues. Admitting your diet is unhealthy and then doing something about it is always admirable. And something I aspire to...

Rhianne 11-20-2010 02:03 PM

Vegans don't exist in reality.

Gravdigr 11-20-2010 04:11 PM

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I have never been attacked by a goose.
I have never eaten a goose.
I have never stepped in goose shit.
I have never had sex with a goose.
Based on this info...geese do not exist.
I have never been attacked by a vegan.
I have never eaten a vegan.
I have never stepped in vegan shit.
I have never had sex with a vegan.
Based on this info...vegans do not exist.

Rhianne 11-20-2010 05:49 PM

I've never stepped in vegan shit either.

wolf 11-20-2010 08:10 PM

I went to an event where a friend was speaking over the summer.

It was not just a vegan, but worse, a raw vegan dining club.

Instead of just kneeling over the lawn and nibbling on grasses, they has something like a pot luck. I was nearly cast out for not bringing my own bowl and sustainable cutlery.

I ended up going on the spur of the moment and didn't have anything to contribute for the meal, but ended up having some lovely roast chicken courtesy of another attendee there for the speaker who heard the "potluck" and "dining club" parts, but missed out on the "raw vegan." Or perhaps she didn't, and wanted to twist their heads around a little. I liked her a lot.

Most of the entrées looked like mud with slivered raw almonds scattered over them. I think I took a small stalk of broccoli to be polite. The only fruit offering had coconut all over it. Ick (and anaphyllactic shock). And a nice hunk of that chicken.

I also risked banishment by using insect spray instead of slapping and scratching. Fuck that shit. I didn't want malaria from the swamp in the backyard, since they apparently didn't believe in drainage.

Most of the raw vegan dining club members looked like aliens. Thin, wobbly on their stick-like legs, with big eyes and pale gray skin. At least one of them had a distended malnourished belly like the kids in the commercials with Sally Struthers. Totally.

Needless to say, my friend and I hit the first WaWa we came to on the way out of town.

ZenGum 11-20-2010 09:34 PM

I have known healthy vegans, but they were very careful to eat specific foods to make sure they got all the required nutrients, and took multi-vitamins as a backup.

And I saw via 2 or 3 degrees of separation on facebook, someone cancelling their raw food stall at a festival because of ... yup, you guessed it ... food poisoning. Sure, cooking may beat up a few vitamins, but it also kicks the crap out of E-coli.

casimendocina 11-20-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 695340)
I have never been attacked by a vegan.
I have never eaten a vegan.
I have never stepped in vegan shit.
I have never had sex with a vegan.
Based on this info...vegans do not exist.


I've been listening to phantom radio talk show host for 3 years now.

bluecuracao 11-21-2010 03:43 AM

I was at Sugar Mom's one recent night (a Philly bar that offers vegan items on its menu), and overheard a girl asking if they had vegan cheese available for their vegan steak sandwich.

When told "no," she opted for Cheez Whiz, stating that she thought it was the closest cheese choice to vegan. Egad.

Rhianne 11-21-2010 04:25 AM

As a dairy product Cheez Whiz wouldn't even be close to being vegan.

There are vegan cheeses though, sometimes called 'sheese' around here, but any I've tried have been rather disappointing with the best of them tasting a bit like the cheapest of cheddars.

bluecuracao 11-21-2010 05:10 AM

I've tried so-called veggie cheeses (which still contain milk products), and have been similarly disappointed. They aren't horrible, but really, there isn't any point to consuming these types of foods.

It just doesn't make any sense to me...cheese and meat are by definition animal products. If one is a vegan, why try to replace these types of things in your diet with fake substitutes?

Rhianne 11-21-2010 08:04 AM

I wouldn't want to guess at percentages but by far the majority of cheese sold in the UK is, nowadays, of the 'veggie' type.

I'm assuming folk know the difference.

To make cheese milk must be separated into curds and whey. Traditionally this has been done using rennet obtained from the stomach of a calf which is still being fed by its mother - a process which of course requires chopping the baby cow up into bits.

In veggie cheeses (and generally kosher/halal ones too) a substitute to rennet is used, usually fungi based.

Have a look on the ingredients next time you buy cheese, there's a good chance you are already eating a 'veggie' type at least some of the time without realising it.

Rhianne 11-21-2010 08:10 AM

After a quick 'Google' - it seems that around 90% of US made cheeses are 'veggie' types.

DanaC 11-21-2010 09:19 AM

Rennet is a fascinating substance. It revolts me utterly, so I always check for it and avoid buying cheeses that use it.

It's one of those substances that shows the deep ingenuity of the human race; whilst at the same time ups the moral ante on animal consumption. It's the idea of it that I can't get past. First we take milk that's meant for the calf, then we the calf's stomache to partially 'digest' the milk. Bluergh. But brilliant.


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