Stealing - Page 4

Pie · 10-06-2008, 01:43 PM

Surveillance without cause is a step towards 1984. Oh, and it's bad for morale.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 01:46 PM

Its for their own protection. If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue? What if they got robbed? It'd be nice to have video of it.

Pie · 10-06-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 02:14 PM

??? I believe there were concerns of other employees potentially stealing as well. Why not have a security system just like convenience stores, department stores, dollar stores, banks and ......???

I must be really dense here Pie - Whats your point?

Pie · 10-06-2008, 02:18 PM

Nevermind, classic. I should remember never to poke the conservatives.

Sundae · 10-06-2008, 02:30 PM

It's funny, because we're seen as far to the left of America, but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing.

Surely it would be more of a travesty if all the employees came under suspicion because of the actions of one?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing.

Good point SG - upon that we agree.

Pie - I'm a moderate, thanks and honestly I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Whats the downside to monitoring your own business?

Pie · 10-06-2008, 02:51 PM

Apparently, Pie == Pollyanna, since I would like to live in a world with as little surveillance as possible.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

glatt · 10-06-2008, 02:58 PM

Oh, come on Pie. Don't give up that quickly!

The default should be no surveillance cameras unless there is a reason. Duck's reason for a camera just quit. So a camera isn't needed.

Does she have a right to put a camera in her private business? Yes. Of course. But it will be bad for morale. A good boss takes things like morale into consideration when making decisions. Her remaining employees are honest. Why should she videotape them? Would you, classicman, like it if your boss pointed a video camera at your desk to videotape you while you work? I can't answer that for you, but I can say that I would hate it if my boss did that to me. I'd probably start looking for another job.

jinx · 10-06-2008, 03:05 PM

I don't think she should video tape her employees, but taping her cash register makes tons of sense.

Really though, noone ever watches the tapes anyway,unless there's a reason to. Like the situation she just went thru. The after-the-fact taping didn't help at all did it?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 03:10 PM

I would think that a business where virtually, if not all of the employees are women would feel safer knowing there is a camera there as a deterrent to crime.

glatt · 10-06-2008, 03:15 PM

I thought this thread was about embezzling money, not the rash of gang rapes in Australian beauty salons. But if this is a high crime area, then pointing a camera at the door is appropriate.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 03:18 PM

I think the surveillance system can have many beneficial outcomes and be used to protect both the employer AND the employees. BTW wasn't there a conversation with a nail woman who was implicating another employee at some point? maybe I misread that.

Pie · 10-06-2008, 04:12 PM

The camera was instituted to catch a thief in the act. To pretend that it is now for the other employees' safety is disingenuous, at best.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie

The camera was instituted to catch a thief in the act. To pretend that it is now for the other employees' safety is disingenuous, at best.

Not pretending anything, if you read my post above yours it can have multiple uses. Nothing disingenuous about that, is there? Exactly what is it you have against her protecting her investment in this business from thieves both inside and/or outside the company?

10-06-2008, 01:43 PM	#1
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Surveillance without cause is a step towards 1984. Oh, and it's bad for morale. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 01:46 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Its for their own protection. If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue? What if they got robbed? It'd be nice to have video of it. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 02:14 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	??? I believe there were concerns of other employees potentially stealing as well. Why not have a security system just like convenience stores, department stores, dollar stores, banks and ......??? I must be really dense here Pie - Whats your point? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 02:18 PM	#5
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Nevermind, classic. I should remember never to poke the conservatives. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 02:30 PM	#6
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	It's funny, because we're seen as far to the left of America, but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing. Surely it would be more of a travesty if all the employees came under suspicion because of the actions of one? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-06-2008, 02:51 PM	#8
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Apparently, Pie == Pollyanna, since I would like to live in a world with as little surveillance as possible. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 02:58 PM	#9
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Oh, come on Pie. Don't give up that quickly! The default should be no surveillance cameras unless there is a reason. Duck's reason for a camera just quit. So a camera isn't needed. Does she have a right to put a camera in her private business? Yes. Of course. But it will be bad for morale. A good boss takes things like morale into consideration when making decisions. Her remaining employees are honest. Why should she videotape them? Would you, classicman, like it if your boss pointed a video camera at your desk to videotape you while you work? I can't answer that for you, but I can say that I would hate it if my boss did that to me. I'd probably start looking for another job.

10-06-2008, 03:05 PM	#10
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I don't think she should video tape her employees, but taping her cash register makes tons of sense. Really though, noone ever watches the tapes anyway,unless there's a reason to. Like the situation she just went thru. The after-the-fact taping didn't help at all did it? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

10-06-2008, 03:10 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I would think that a business where virtually, if not all of the employees are women would feel safer knowing there is a camera there as a deterrent to crime. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 03:15 PM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I thought this thread was about embezzling money, not the rash of gang rapes in Australian beauty salons. But if this is a high crime area, then pointing a camera at the door is appropriate.

10-06-2008, 03:18 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think the surveillance system can have many beneficial outcomes and be used to protect both the employer AND the employees. BTW wasn't there a conversation with a nail woman who was implicating another employee at some point? maybe I misread that. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 04:12 PM	#14
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The camera was instituted to catch a thief in the act. To pretend that it is now for the other employees' safety is disingenuous, at best. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

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