Why am I fat? Because my self-esteem is crushed. - Page 3

Clodfobble · 03-03-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

So: without doing blind studies on ourselves, we are terribly bad at evaluating ourselves. We can convince ourselves of anything, and often do.

But even if this is 100% the case, isn't a placebo effect better than nothing? You know you'll never really convince yourself that eating junk food is good for you, so that option is out. And you know in your heart that eating healthy food is better for you, whether the gains are immediate or long term--so if you did manage it, and immediately felt better, why would you care whether it was psychological or real? You'd still feel better.

It is your current psychological self--the one you admit feels worthless, crushed, and broken--telling you that the benefits of change would not be real, they'd only be you convincing yourself that it was real. But your convinced psychological self would feel very differently. You would not feel that it was fake, you would feel that it was real. You would feel better. If there is a part of you that is enough above the broken self to recognize it for what it is, then there is a part of you that can take the decision-making role away from the broken self, even if, for right now, you don't believe it will work.

Undertoad · 03-03-2011, 02:38 PM

I'm lost, can you restate?

Flint · 03-03-2011, 02:40 PM

If good, do.

footfootfoot · 03-03-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm lost, can you restate?

Simple, this is your brain, downhill and with a a tailwind:

this is clodfobble's brain when she's half asleep in frog pajamas:

Flint · 03-03-2011, 02:58 PM

Who's the fish?

Oh my God...is it me?

Shawnee123 · 03-03-2011, 02:59 PM

The fish is jebus, it's always jebus.

Flint · 03-03-2011, 03:00 PM

Clodfobble's brain looks pissed.

footfootfoot · 03-03-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Clodfobble's brain looks pissed.

It's all business, it's not personal

Flint · 03-03-2011, 03:03 PM

Or, as Dio would say, LOOK OUT!

Clodfobble · 03-03-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm lost, can you restate?

You have suggested that many people who eat a healthier diet only feel better because they have convinced themselves that they will feel better. I'm saying that maybe it doesn't matter how it happened, wouldn't you like to feel better regardless?

Undertoad · 03-03-2011, 04:17 PM

sure

Clodfobble · 03-03-2011, 04:30 PM

But you can't get over the motivational hump to do it, because your self-esteem is crushed? (I'm genuinely trying to understand and find a workable angle here. This is foreign to me because while I've had plenty of self-loathing in my life, I also take no pleasure in food so it's never been my personal avenue of self-destruction.)

Couldn't forcing yourself to eat things you don't like kind of be its own form of self-loathing and punishment?

footfootfoot · 03-03-2011, 04:31 PM

Here's the self esteem catch-22:

Undertoad · 03-03-2011, 04:49 PM

I don't think it's all that possible for one to will ones' self to be psychologically different.

Unless, that is, you're Charlie Sheen.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen

(On rehabilitation) "I fixed myself. It's possible. (Interviewer: "how?") Decide that you're going to, and do it. It's not all that complicated. Just decide that you're going to harness the power of your mind."

jimhelm · 03-03-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I don't think it's all that possible for one to will ones' self to be psychologically different.

Unless, that is, you're Charlie Sheen.

you serious? aside from the charlie sheen part, I mean.

how else can you change your own psychology but by will?

03-03-2011, 02:40 PM	#33
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	If good, do. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-03-2011, 02:58 PM	#35
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Who's the fish? Oh my God...is it me? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-03-2011, 02:59 PM	#36
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	The fish is jebus, it's always jebus. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-03-2011, 03:00 PM	#37
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Clodfobble's brain looks pissed. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-03-2011, 03:03 PM	#39
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Or, as Dio would say, LOOK OUT! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-03-2011, 02:38 PM	#32
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm lost, can you restate?

03-03-2011, 04:17 PM	#41
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	sure

03-03-2011, 04:30 PM	#42
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	But you can't get over the motivational hump to do it, because your self-esteem is crushed? (I'm genuinely trying to understand and find a workable angle here. This is foreign to me because while I've had plenty of self-loathing in my life, I also take no pleasure in food so it's never been my personal avenue of self-destruction.) Couldn't forcing yourself to eat things you don't like kind of be its own form of self-loathing and punishment? __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

03-03-2011, 04:31 PM	#43
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Here's the self esteem catch-22: Attached Images __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

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