Why am I fat? Because my self-esteem is crushed. - Page 2

ZenGum · 03-02-2011, 11:20 PM

If you think the reason you're fat is that your self esteem has been crushed, you should ask yourself why your self esteem is crushed. And I think you'll find that the answer is that you sat your fat ass on it. Put it in your front pocket next time.

Oh and there is no such thing - and never has been - as the food pyramid. Look at it, people. It's a goddamn TRIANGLE!!!!111!

monster · 03-02-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

Oh and there is no such thing - and never has been - as the food pyramid. Look at it, people. It's a goddamn TRIANGLE!!!!111!

The food thing is rectangular. Hums a lot. Used to always be white, but now dark browm and stainless steel are pretty common

Pico and ME · 03-03-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

My own experience doesn't count as it would be anecdotal by definition.

I have experienced the feeling of general well being derived from a healthy diet. I can tell the difference. So, even though I can try to mind fuck myself into feeling good about eating poorly, I will always know better.

Undertoad · 03-03-2011, 01:20 AM

I'm sure that's often the case, as things like poor glycemic handling leads to lethargy and such;

But a lot of the benefits of healthy eating are long term. Having had the belief that what you were eating "healthy", you determined that you "felt good". Did the good feeling come from the healthy food, or the belief that you had done something good for your body?

Moreover, is "feeling good" an indicator of health? As a chronic anxiety sufferer, I can tell you, I've spent a great deal of time "feeling bad" when it was merely a brain chemistry problem that brought about temporary physical symptoms.

Does MSG give you a headache?

No, it doesn't! Turns out it occurs naturally in many common foods:

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Ripe cheese is full of glutamate, as are tomatoes. Parmesan, with 1200mg per 100 grams, is the substance with more free glutamate in it than any other natural foodstuff on the planet. Almost all foods have some naturally occurring glutamate in them but the ones with most are obvious: ripe tomatoes, cured meats, dried mushrooms, soy sauce, Bovril and of course Worcester sauce, nam pla (with 950mg per 100g) and the other fermented fish sauces of Asia.

As the article points out, all of Asia is brimming with the stuff, and all of Asia doesn't have a headache. And a four-cheese pizza has as much glutamate as any chinese meal. What's up with that?

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My friend Nic came round. He told me about a Japanese restaurant he'd been to that gave him headaches and a 'weird tingling in the cheeks' - until he told them to stop with the MSG. Then he was fine, he said. I nodded and I served him two tomato and chive salads; both were made using the very same ingredients but I told him one plate of tomatoes was 'organic', the other 'factory-farmed'. The organic tomatoes were far better, we agreed. These, of course, were the tomatoes doused with mono sodium glutamate.

Then we ate mascarpone, parma ham and tomato pizza. Nic felt fine.

So: without doing blind studies on ourselves, we are terribly bad at evaluating ourselves. We can convince ourselves of anything, and often do.

(sorry for the novel i just cannot help myself)

Pico and ME · 03-03-2011, 01:59 AM

Well, my conclusion only came about after I got married and stopped the diet and I had been on it for two years. I still haven't really managed to get back on the diet full-fledged since, but damn I want to because I now realize that it did eliminate a lot of body aches, head aches, sinus congestion, crankiness, digestive upsets, and the like. It also helped me to manage my depression better.

I don't believe I mind-fucked myself out of those things. I truly believe that if you eat in a way that regulates your insulin response throughout the day, you will be better off.

Ya know I don't get headaches from MSG, but I will if I chew some mint flavored gums.

ZenGum · 03-03-2011, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

I got married and.... a lot of body aches, head aches, sinus congestion, crankiness, digestive upsets, and the like.

See there's ya correlation for ya

skysidhe · 03-03-2011, 10:05 AM

It doesn't matter to my body what I eat,( except for supplements, they make a difference food no) but for my kid caffeine and sugar can cause plenty of wakeful nights. It isn't good for him or anybody to be a night owl, but for me, I think, wow, I could get so much done! I wish caffeine and sugar did that for me!

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Moreover, is "feeling good" an indicator of health? As a chronic anxiety sufferer, I can tell you, I've spent a great deal of time "feeling bad" when it was merely a brain chemistry problem that brought about temporary physical symptoms.

Yes, I agree. I've witnessed it. I know two people whose anxieties increase with sugar.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Does MSG give you a headache?

As the article points out, all of Asia is brimming with the stuff, and all of Asia doesn't have a headache. And a four-cheese pizza has as much glutamate as any chinese meal. What's up with that?

So what is up with that? Do I not really get headaches after eating msg?

Pete Zicato · 03-03-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

My own experience doesn't count as it would be anecdotal by definition.

One of the things I like about the Cellar is that people here can use words like anecdotal in a conversation.

Shawnee123 · 03-03-2011, 10:13 AM

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One of the things I like about the Cellar is that people here can use words like anecdotal in a conversation.

I know! I remember one time, this one dwellar and this other dwellar...

Urbane Guerrilla · 03-03-2011, 10:42 AM

and

-- because this thread is fun.

Perry Winkle · 03-03-2011, 11:34 AM

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and

-- because this thread is fun.

Watch out. That popcorn will make you fat, and then all the beautiful SoCaliens will make fun of you.

Pico and ME · 03-03-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

See there's ya correlation for ya

Ummm, that's definitively causation, in my book.

Undertoad · 03-03-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

So what is up with that? Do I not really get headaches after eating msg?

Nope. Enjoy it at will.

Flint · 03-03-2011, 12:32 PM

Only the commie-nazis would have you believe otherwise.

Shawnee123 · 03-03-2011, 12:40 PM

Why am I crushed?

Because my self-esteem is fat.

03-02-2011, 11:20 PM	#16
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	If you think the reason you're fat is that your self esteem has been crushed, you should ask yourself why your self esteem is crushed. And I think you'll find that the answer is that you sat your fat ass on it. Put it in your front pocket next time. Oh and there is no such thing - and never has been - as the food pyramid. Look at it, people. It's a goddamn TRIANGLE!!!!111! __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-03-2011, 01:59 AM	#20
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Well, my conclusion only came about after I got married and stopped the diet and I had been on it for two years. I still haven't really managed to get back on the diet full-fledged since, but damn I want to because I now realize that it did eliminate a lot of body aches, head aches, sinus congestion, crankiness, digestive upsets, and the like. It also helped me to manage my depression better. I don't believe I mind-fucked myself out of those things. I truly believe that if you eat in a way that regulates your insulin response throughout the day, you will be better off. Ya know I don't get headaches from MSG, but I will if I chew some mint flavored gums. Last edited by Pico and ME; 03-03-2011 at 02:12 AM.

03-03-2011, 10:42 AM	#25
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	and -- because this thread is fun. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

03-03-2011, 12:32 PM	#29
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Only the commie-nazis would have you believe otherwise. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-03-2011, 12:40 PM	#30
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Why am I crushed? Because my self-esteem is fat. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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