The Real Mitt Romney

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Do you have ANYTHING to back this up - anything remotely FACTUAL?

sigh...So you haven't been paying attention.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

sigh...So you haven't been paying attention.

Still waiting anxiously for that fact on the number of jobs lost versus the number of jobs gained, from the actions of Bain Capital.

All that "I lost my job due to Bain", stuff is real, no doubt, but it's VERY hyped by the Obama re-election campaign. The flip side "I have a job at Staples, etc., due to Bain Capital", is strangely never mentioned by the Obama campaign.

Of course, you believe only one side of the argument - naturally. You couldn't find any facts on it, and you couldn't believe that like everything else in life, there is a yin and there is a yang, an ebb and a flow, or as the wise man states: "a time for every purpose, under heaven". (Ecclesiastes, iirc).

Jobs are created, and jobs are lost in business. Any business. That is the nature of business, which follows the nature of life.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Still waiting anxiously for that fact on the number of jobs lost versus the number of jobs gained, from the actions of Bain Capital.

All that "I lost my job due to Bain", stuff is real, no doubt, but it's VERY hyped by the Obama re-election campaign. The flip side "I have a job at Staples, etc., due to Bain Capital", is strangely never mentioned by the Obama campaign.

Of course, you believe only one side of the argument - naturally. You couldn't find any facts on it, and you couldn't believe that like everything else in life, there is a yin and there is a yang, an ebb and a flow, or as the wise man states: "a time for every purpose, under heaven". (Ecclesiastes, iirc).

Jobs are created, and jobs are lost in business. Any business. That is the nature of business, which follows the nature of life.

Anthony Crane
Cambridge Industries
GS Industries
Ampad
DDi
Dade International
Mothercare
GT Bicycle
SMTC Corp
Chippac
Asimco Technologies

Oh, and the unconscionable rape of Burger King.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Anthony Crane
Cambridge Industries
GS Industries
Ampad
DDi
Dade International
Mothercare
GT Bicycle
SMTC Corp
Chippac
Asimco Technologies

Oh, and the unconscionable rape of Burger King.

All I need, and the ONLY thing I'll accept, are the number of jobs lost from Bain Capital, during the the time Romney was the CEO, and the number of jobs gained from Bain Capital's work, during the time Romney was CEO. And the link to the authoritative origin of those numbers.

A simple list of company names is not what's needed, here. Here's a hint. You don't have what you need, and you never will, and I doubt anyone has those figures, because they're so widely disbursed across several companies.

That's WHY the Obama campaign seized on it - because they can't be called liars easily, and certainly not before the election day.

This is Romney's strong point in the campaign - jobs. If they can make you doubt him on that point, they're well on their way to a win on election day. It's the same way Kerry was hit with the "riverboat vets for truth" project. Nobody could really say what Kerry's actions were in Vietnam, but nobody could really dispute what the "vets" were saying, either.

Just plant as big a doubt as you can, about the opponent.

I heard a smear about Obama today. While at Harvard as editor of the law review paper, two male workers quit and filed sexual harassment charges against the school, claiming Obama was the perpetrator.

Harvard paid out to both the students in both cases, under the condition the students kept silent.

Do I believe it? It doesn't matter. Whether Obama was secretly a sexual harasser or not, doesn't interest me. His policies and their success or failure, determine my opinion of Obama, as President.

Period.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

All I need, and the ONLY thing I'll accept, are the number of jobs lost from Bain Capital, during the the time Romney was the CEO, and the number of jobs gained from Bain Capital's work, during the time Romney was CEO. And the link to the authoritative origin of those numbers.

Oh, I see. You're too lazy to look up the companies Romney destroyed with his evil Bain leveraged buyout scheme.
That's the only thing you'll accept?
Fuck you, you aren't calling the shots, boy.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh, I see. You're too lazy to look up the companies Romney destroyed with his evil Bain leveraged buyout scheme.
That's the only thing you'll accept?
Fuck you, you aren't calling the shots, boy.

If you make an argument this big, you have to back it up - and of course, you can't. I can't refute it, or back it up, either. Nobody has that data.

Would you just accept a smear against Obama, that couldn't be backed up? Of course not.

Don't be such a hypocrite, and try harder to stay civil. Of course I call the shots on what I will accept as a fact. You do the same for yourself.

[BigV]

Tax cut for everyone,
same proprtion of taxes paid by those who earn in the top 5%
eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and interest
adding a trillion dollars to the defense budget
"absolutely" not adding any taxes to the middle class of earners who make under $200k/yr
and
...drumroll please.....
balance the budget.

Originally Posted by Adak

That was covered a few pages back, by another poster, as well as on the website that he posted the link to.

You're saying this was covered a few pages back... right. I looked. Maybe you mean this one:

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Brookings Tax Policy Center article

Somewhere else I read that the Romney deficit reduction and budget balancing assumptions are based upon "possible" and "potential" economic upturns. So...if I were to make a million dollars a year, I could get out of debt very quickly. A bank will not give me a loan based on that "assumption", but it's ok for our entire nation's economic well-being?

Or this one:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

BigV, follow the link for the answer.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...ssible/263541/

Edit: A second article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...-tax-plan.html

Basically, you assume unrealistic job growth or you change the definition of the middle class...

I did read those posts and the articles at the links, but none of them do what you say they do. I'd like to see your cite, or better yet, just explain to me how he can do all those things he said he's gonna do. Because,

Originally Posted by Adak

If you make an argument this big, you have to back it up - and of course, you can't. I can't refute it, or back it up, either. Nobody has that data.

It doesn't exist.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

If you make an argument this big, you have to back it up - and of course, you can't. I can't refute it, or back it up, either. Nobody has that data.

Would you just accept a smear against Obama, that couldn't be backed up? Of course not.

Don't be such a hypocrite, and try harder to stay civil. Of course I call the shots on what I will accept as a fact. You do the same for yourself.

Not a smear when the fact that it happened is well documented.
A fifth grader can figure out if you grab a business and suck the life out of it until it goes belly up, people are out of work. The people suffer, the families suffer, the community suffers, because some predatory millionaires/billionaires need more money? No, they don't need money, it's just a blood sport.

Oh, and stop telling me what the fuck to do, I'm not one of you Morman sheep.