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[Undertoad]

Counterpoint:

If someone wants to kill me because I don't share their beliefs, I don't really care what their beliefs ARE. That's their particular form of bullshit, whether it's a 12th Imam to return to rule the earth for seven years or careful application of Sharia and various bullshit rituals. The problem is not interpreting their bullshit in a way that allows for patient cooperation with the rest of the world.

The KKK was a Christian organization but we didn't need to study what particular variety of beliefs put them over the top. We just needed to extinguish those beliefs.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Counterpoint:

If someone wants to kill me because I don't share their beliefs, I don't really care what their beliefs ARE. That's their particular form of bullshit, whether it's a 12th Imam to return to rule the earth for seven years or careful application of Sharia and various bullshit rituals. The problem is not interpreting their bullshit in a way that allows for patient cooperation with the rest of the world.

The KKK was a Christian organization but we didn't need to study what particular variety of beliefs put them over the top. We just needed to extinguish those beliefs.

UT:

Would you please reconcile this contradiction in your post?

Are you saying that someone who wants to kill you because you don't share their beliefs, you don't care what their beliefs are, you just need to extinguish those beliefs (different from yours). ***my read following*** because if those beliefs are gone, the threat to your life will be gone? That you're threatened by those different beliefs?

or

Are you saying that your beliefs should remain, and other beliefs that don't lead people to want to kill you are acceptable, but all other beliefs need to be extinguished?

or

Something else?

I have a really hard time conceiving how a set of beliefs can be extinguished. And another serious question about your post I have is your apparent emphasis of a religious belief over the actions of an individual as the threat to your safety. You barely mention "a person". Which is more culpable? Which is the greater threat? Which can possibly be effectively changed?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by BigV

Would you please reconcile this contradiction in your post?

I wasn't trying to combine the two bits, and what separates them is the first-person "I" versus the societal "we". If someone wants to kill me because of their beliefs, "I" don't care what those beliefs are. In the case of the beliefs of the KKK, "we" had to emphasize that civil society does not accept them, especially in the eyes of the law.