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[Flint]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Saying the legal system, being a system, can not be perfect means anyone supporting the death penalty supports killing innocent people is bullshit.

Do you believe that there is a ZERO PERCENT chance of executing an innocent person: Yes or No...??? Can you answer this direct question?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Ibram

They've already gone back and DNA-proved a bunch of people that were executed (mostly in Texas) were innocent...

I don't dispute it has happened, especially in Texas and other places where there is racial tension. What I said was I don't believe PA is going to execute any innocent people and I support the death penalty.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Flint

Do you believe that there is a ZERO PERCENT chance of executing an innocent person: Yes or No...??? Can you answer this direct question?

I told you I'm not playing that game. I already told you I think your methodology is flawed and why. I've already stated my position in favor of the death penalty and why.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Death penalty cases are long and complicated with many mandatory appeals and reviews, designed to check and correct any mistakes along the way. It would take a bunch of mistakes, unchecked and uncorrected, and that's not happening.

Yes it is. Volunteer groups are continually finding evidence that was missing, ignored, or suppressed during trial and exonerating people who have exhausted their appeals. Six in PA, just two fewer than Texas. Innocent convicts not lucky enough to get that volunteer attention (or not lucky enough for the real killer to have left DNA evidence, or not lucky enough for any evidence from the trial to have been properly stored, etc.) have been and will continue to be executed.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No it is not.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I told you I'm not playing that game. I already told you I think your methodology is flawed and why. I've already stated my position in favor of the death penalty and why.

"& don't you dare bring logic into it" LOL!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Yes it is. Volunteer groups are continually finding evidence that was missing, ignored, or suppressed during trial and exonerating people who have exhausted their appeals. Six in PA, just two fewer than Texas. Innocent convicts not lucky enough to get that volunteer attention (or not lucky enough for the real killer to have left DNA evidence, or not lucky enough for any evidence from the trial to have been properly stored, etc.) have been and will continue to be executed.

Not just volunteer groups, the system is reversing convictions too.
Six in PA.
Wilson got a new trial because he didn't have enough black jurors and the state said in the retrial they couldn't go for the death penalty again. Then they did a DNA test that showed there was another person at the crime seen besides him and the multiple victims.

Yarris is a scumbag that should have been executed. He caused his own problems by trying to frame some one else for his own gain, then telling them he was there when he wasn't.

Kimball was freed when they found out someone else could possibly have killed the four people. Not that the person did or Kimball didn't. The system corrected itself.

Nieves case went to the PA Supreme Court being a capital case. They ruled he was not represented properly. The system worked as it should, that's why capital cases are long and involved with all kinds of reviews.

Smith's case was bizarre, with the lead investigator taking money from Joseph Wambaugh, to provide inside information for his novel. Here again, the system corrected itself when the high court stepped in. I still think that sob is guilty.

Ferber was freed when the DA found new evidence shortly after the trial and urged the judge to grant a new trial. The system corrected itself this time by the prosecutors action.

I'm not sure about Wilson, but I don't see any evidence of volunteers in the other cases.
Oh, and none of them were executed even though I think two of them should be.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

"& don't you dare bring logic into it" LOL!

Faulty logic.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You can't, the court says they are guilty before they are executed.

The courts have been wrong before and they will be again. That means innocent people have been and will be killed in future thanks to the death penalty.

Aside from my own moral objections which I've stated before so am not going to worry about saying them again.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's why death penalty cases make repeated trips through the system, by law, Ali.

[Aliantha]

and still innocent people have been put to death.

Anyway, that's all I want to say about the subject. All due respect to the rest of you, please carry on.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Not on my watch